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@metal-brain saidNo, it isn't.
Time dilation is gravity.
It would make no sense for time dilation to BE gravity because if time dilation is gravity then time dilation merely from differences in relative constant speeds, i.e. not involving gravity, as described by special relativity as opposed to general relativity, would generate ( or 'be' ) observable gravity; It doesn't.
In other words, if time dilation IS gravity then we would expect to observe gravity and involvement of gravity with BOTH the special relativity effects AND the general relativity effects but we only observe gravity with the latter not the former thus showing time dilation isn't gravity.
@humy saidThen you should have no problem answering this question I have asked you before. Why would gravity cause time dilation? Explain.
No, it isn't.
It would make no sense for time dilation to BE gravity because if time dilation is gravity then time dilation merely from differences in relative constant speeds, i.e. not involving gravity, as described by special relativity as opposed to general relativity, would generate ( or 'be' ) observable gravity; It doesn't.
In other words, if time dilation IS gravity th ...[text shortened]... but we only observe gravity with the latter not the former thus showing time dilation isn't gravity.
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@metal-brain saidWhy would the contradiction I showed with your assertion that 'time dilation IS gravity' thus proving it is NOT true that 'time dilation IS gravity' mean I would have "no problem" explaining "Why would gravity cause time dilation" to someone who has both insufficient intelligence and insufficient curiosity of real science and truth to ever know why?
Then you should have no problem answering this question I have asked you before. Why would gravity cause time dilation?
It's impossible to educate you because you don't want to learn and I will not waste my time trying.
How does that change the fact I showed you the contradiction with your assertion thus your assertion must be incorrect? Explain.
@humy saidWhy would gravity cause time dilation? Explain.
Why would the contradiction I showed with your assertion that 'time dilation IS gravity' thus proving it is NOT true that 'time dilation IS gravity' mean I would have "no problem" explaining "Why would gravity cause time dilation" to someone who has both insufficient intelligence and insufficient curiosity of real science and truth to ever know why?
It's impossible to educate ...[text shortened]... t I showed you the contradiction with your assertion thus your assertion must be incorrect? Explain.
You are incapable of answering that because it doesn't make any sense. Time dilation from matter is/causes gravity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
If you are that determined to make your explanation more complex than it needs to be, you need to explain why that is acceptable. You seem to want people to have a leap in faith that time dilation is merely some symptom of gravity that is meaningless.
You want us all to believe time dilation is present in the gravity well with time passing slower the closer to the earth we are and it does nothing besides that time difference?
Velocity and gravity have opposite cause and effect in regards to time dilation. The former causes time dilation, the latter is the result of time dilation caused by matter.
@metal-brain saidNO.
Why would gravity cause time dilation? Explain.
Which part of
"It's impossible to educate you because you don't want to learn and I will not waste my time trying. "
did you not understand?
Or didn't you even bother to actually read my post?
So I will not explain it to you. I may only be willing to explain it to someone with genuine curiosity although I would advise them that Deepthought would be a much better person to ask for that as he is the real expert on it here.
You want us all to believe time dilation is...Nope. I am not trying to convince everyone here of anything, only you are. I believe about time dilation what most scientists do here, which is whatever the science says.
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@humy saidI don't expect you try to explain something you don't understand. Your failure and dishonesty is noted.
NO.
Which part of
"It's impossible to educate you because you don't want to learn and I will not waste my time trying. "
did you not understand?
Or didn't you even bother to actually read my post?
So I will not explain it to you. I may only be willing to explain it to someone with genuine curiosity although I would advise them that Deepthought would be a much b ...[text shortened]... are. I believe about time dilation what most scientists do here, which is whatever the science says.
Look at my OP. Notice the question marks. Questions are not assertions.
@Metal-Brain
Relativity is what we have right now and it is good enough for right now. Some sticking points about cosmology may cause relativity to take second place on a newer theory backed up by accurate predictions but for now, Big Al is king.
@metal-brain saidYou are a complete and utter fool. NOTHING in Einstein's work says what you are saying.
Time dilation from mass is a cause of gravity. Time dilation from velocity is the opposite. Like sonhouse you are using velocity to obfuscate by claiming two different things have to have the same cause and effect. They don't.
See the equivalence principle. Velocity can slow time so the time dilation is an effect of velocity, that is correct. Time dilation here on eart ...[text shortened]... mic clocks on the satellites. I already proved GPS doesn't need GR equations to function accurately.
You are SO inept and incompetent on this subject that you cannot SEE that you are inept and incompetent.
I gave you the Wiki link for Time dilation. Please show us where it says that TD IS gravity and not TD is an effect of gravity.
Your logic is like a five year old's. Even I have better logic than yours.
@metal-brain saidYou are so ignorant on this topic that you cannot even see you are asking the wrong question.
Why would gravity cause time dilation? Explain.
HOW would gravity cause time dilation? should be your question. The answer is in the Wiki article I gave you the link to.
"Why would gravity cause time dilation?" This is patently stupid. You are assigning reason to gravity.
@metal-brain saidARE YOU STUPID??
You are wrong. Time dilation causing gravity is the foundation of GR. Look at any GR equation and you will see a T for time. Nothing in those equations implies time is the result of gravity.
You have your cause and effect backwards.
First you claim that TIME DILATION is the cause of gravity and now you spew this piece of idiocy: "Look at any GR equation and you will see a T for time. Nothing in those equations implies time is the result of gravity."
When will you finally admit you know nothing about what you're talking about? You DO know that TIME and TIME DILATION are two different things, right?
@metal-brain saidDoes this make you feel better, to claim that others don't understand it either?
I don't expect you try to explain something you don't understand. Your failure and dishonesty is noted.
Look at my OP. Notice the question marks. Questions are not assertions.
Just because YOU do not understand something, it does not mean that NO ONE understands it.
Your expertise here on this subject is near zero. You are making ludicrous claims. Ditch the attitude that you are the most expert in this field (because you are clearly not) and you might just learn something.
As I said before, for God's sake, educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
Or can you not understand what you read? Does this not prove that you are incompetent to understand this material?
@metal-brain saidNO, no, no, no, no.
Time dilation is gravity. They are the same thing.
Like I said before many times, I'm using the word "cause" loosely. Don't take it too literally.
Time dilation is the bending of space-time. They are also the same thing. Saying time dilation causes gravity is the same thing as saying the bending of space-time causes gravity. Again, I'm using the term "cause" loosely. They are the same thing.
Now do you understand?
"Time dilation is the bending of space-time." NO, it is NOT. Time dilation is CAUSED by the bending of space-time. Time dilation is just the simple observation that time moves more slowly on one clock versus another. This is CAUSED by the bending of space-time. It is NOT the bending of space-time itself. And since gravity IS one cause of the bending of space-time, time dilation is CAUSED by gravity.
Now do you understand?
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@metal-brain saidAnd I've clearly said that your incompetence is keeping you from even seeing that you are incompetent to understand this material (which is crystal clear from your post).
Time dilation from mass is a cause of gravity. Time dilation from velocity is the opposite. Like sonhouse you are using velocity to obfuscate by claiming two different things have to have the same cause and effect. They don't.
See the equivalence principle. Velocity can slow time so the time dilation is an effect of velocity, that is correct. Time dilation here on eart ...[text shortened]... mic clocks on the satellites. I already proved GPS doesn't need GR equations to function accurately.
You are using elementary school reasoning to explain GR. That is entirely insufficient to the task, and so are you.
@suzianne said"Time dilation is CAUSED by the bending of space-time."
NO, no, no, no, no.
"Time dilation is the bending of space-time." NO, it is NOT. Time dilation is CAUSED by the bending of space-time. Time dilation is just the simple observation that time moves more slowly on one clock versus another. This is CAUSED by the bending of space-time. It is NOT the bending of space-time itself. And since gravity IS one cause of the bending of space-time, time dilation is CAUSED by gravity.
Now do you understand?
Einstein NEVER said such an absurd thing like that.
You do not know what you are talking about. Notice that your sentence started with time and ended with time. Time is not caused by time.