Originally posted by NemesioYou don't quite understand: His god can do no wrong.
Well, you're right it doesn't matter if there is no intelligent designer who
guided the direction of Creation.
I'm glad we agree.
However, for those who do believe in an intelligent designer, it's a little bit
more of a pickle, since it wouldn't be intelligent to give an inferior eye to a
creation.
Nemesio
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Originally posted by EladarIf it was within your power to give your child eyes without blind spots without
[b]So you think it's intelligent to give a creation an inferior eye?
I think it is a matter of no consequence. So yes, God, who is intellegent, has every right to give people eyes that are inferior to some other creatures. It is neither intelligent nor unintelligent to do so.[/b]
any negative effects, would you do it? Why or why not?
If your best friend had the power to give his child eyes without blind spots
without any negative effects, and he didn't, would you describe that as
intelligent? Why or why not?
How do you describe intelligence, anyway?
Nemesio
P.S., I wasn't talking about whether God had the right or not. I was asking
if it was or was not intelligent. It's not helpful when you answer the questions
I don't ask.
P.S., I wasn't talking about whether God had the right or not. I was asking
if it was or was not intelligent. It's not helpful when you answer the questions
I don't ask.
I answered your question by saying it was neither intelligent nor unintelligent. Your point of view is simply totally screwed up as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by EladarI asked my followup questions because I am confused by your answer.
[b]P.S., I wasn't talking about whether God had the right or not. I was asking
if it was or was not intelligent. It's not helpful when you answer the questions
I don't ask.
I answered your question by saying it was neither intelligent nor unintelligent. Your point of view is simply totally screwed up as far as I'm concerned.[/b]
Maybe it would be better to start with defining 'intelligence' and then answering
the hypothetical questions about getting rid of your child's blind spots, and
your friend's child's blind spots.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Nemesio"Intelligent" as it relates to god may be different from "intelligent" as it relates to normal people.
I asked my followup questions because I am confused by your answer.
Maybe it would be better to start with defining 'intelligence' and then answering
the hypothetical questions about getting rid of your child's blind spots, and
your friend's child's blind spots.
Nemesio
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Originally posted by EladarActually, it is very much your problem, we get along quite well without constantly referencing everthing in our lives to a god. We don't need it and can see what you laughingly refer to as your god is just another scam game started long ago and still trapping the gullible.
I think you just have a problem with God. Things aren't perfect. People die. Children are abused. People are born deformed. You have a problem with God creating a world where such things happen.
That's your problem, not mine.
Originally posted by EladarNo. I don't have a problem with God. I'm not talking about the actions that
I think you just have a problem with God. Things aren't perfect. People die. Children are abused. People are born deformed. You have a problem with God creating a world where such things happen.
That's your problem, not mine.
people take (abused children), or the implications of genetics (deformity),
or imperfection.
I'm talking about design, which is the topic of this thread. Stop trying to
distract the conversation from the topic at hand.
So, shall we try again: how do you define intelligence?
Would a parent who would insist that his children have blind spots if they
could be removed without any harm whatsoever be considered intelligent
by that definition?
Nemesio
I'm talking about design, which is the topic of this thread. Stop trying to
distract the conversation from the topic at hand.
So, shall we try again: how do you define intelligence?
I am a Creationist. To me, ID is just the idea that there was a Designer. Things didn't just create themselves. Something super natural created all living things.
As I've been trying to say, perhaps you don't like the way things were designed, but that's your problem.
Originally posted by NemesioWould you choose to make "superkids" if you could?
No. I don't have a problem with God. I'm not talking about the actions that
people take (abused children), or the implications of genetics (deformity),
or imperfection.
I'm talking about design, which is the topic of this thread. Stop trying to
distract the conversation from the topic at hand.
So, shall we try again: how do you define in ...[text shortened]... removed without any harm whatsoever be considered intelligent
by that definition?
Nemesio
And if so, then does that also imply that a genuine god would?
I am on your side - I am tending away from "the church". But your line of reasoning does not make sense. It does not hold tight.
Originally posted by flexmoreMy argument is a 'design' argument, not genetic manipulation. A 'designer'
Would you choose to make "superkids" if you could?
And if so, then does that also imply that a genuine god would?
I am on your side - I am tending away from "the church". But your line of reasoning does not make sense. It does not hold tight.
has the capacity to design without implication.
But, on that note, don't you strive to give your child every possible advantage
(or at least in theory, if you do not have children)? Would you give them a
good diet or a poor one? Assuming all other factors were equal (cost, distance,
neighborhood), would you send your child to an excellent school or a crappy one?
If your child had bad vision, wouldn't you get him/her glasses? When your
child has an ailment, don't you strive to alleviate it? Why would blind spots
be any different?
Nemesio
Originally posted by EladarI happen to like Creation, actually.
I am a Creationist. To me, ID is just the idea that there was a Designer. Things didn't just create themselves. Something super natural created all living things.
As I've been trying to say, perhaps you don't like the way things were designed, but that's your problem.
So, shall we try yet again? How do you define intelligence?
Nemesio