Why all this quibbling over semantics? We know space-time, gravity, mass, velocity are all deeply entwined and to start a flame war over what causes what is not helpful.
Who gives a shyte whether time dilation causes gravity or not? Prove it if you think that is deeply important and at the same time explain why it matters what causes what. Is there going to b ...[text shortened]... development we can foresee where that would be useful? If not, what is the big frigging deal anyway?
"Who gives a shyte whether time dilation causes gravity or not?"
"Why all this quibbling over semantics?"
You mean the quibbling over a hyphen? I agree, humy never should have brought it up.
"Prove it if you think that is deeply important and at the same time explain why it matters what causes what."
I did by quoting Greene. It isn't my fault you reject the expert. Are you going to claim Einstein is wrong next?
Now that you realize Greene is right you are now resorting to the "who cares" symptom of failure. I'll tell you who cares, the people who were right all along. The people who are wrong always downplay their mistakes and claim it is no big deal. You thought it was a big deal when you thought you were right. Now it doesn't matter?
None of you handle being wrong well. Even when you were convinced I was wrong none of you handled it well. You were all condescending without any justification at all. In other words, you made a big frigging deal about it!