@metal-brain saidThe words: "time dilation" are a piece of jargon. They have a technical meaning. One which you seem to want to ignore. Since you are using the term do you want to give us a concise description of what you think the phrase "time dilation" means?
http://www.briangreene.org/portfolio/light-falls/
Brian said "that tiny time warp is why things fall. Objects do not want to age. The math shows things are drawn to locations where time elapses more slowly."
Yep, that is time dilation alright. Greene is a professor of physics at Columbia University and has written many bestselling physics books.
Perhaps somebody ...[text shortened]... ll him to prove it. Greene did not get anything wrong in his statement above. It is the basis of GR.
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@deepthought saidNope. Time dilation from matter. This is not the first time I was specific.
The words: "time dilation" are a piece of jargon. They have a technical meaning. One which you seem to want to ignore. Since you are using the term do you want to give us a concise description of what you think the phrase "time dilation" means?
I realize digressing into velocity to avoid matter is a convenient way to evade the question "why do things fall?", but I will not stop asking you the question until you answer it or admit Greene was being literal and deliberate in what he said and that he is right.
Your story about Greene being right and wrong at the same time is the jargon, not time dilation. You need to explain your position, not deflect and explain nothing.
Why do things fall?
@metal-brain saidI said I did not like the way he explained it, I did not say he was wrong. Your use of the word jargon here indicates you do not know what the word means. You have refused to say what you think time dilation is. State clearly and concisely what you think these words mean.
Nope. Time dilation from matter. This is not the first time I was specific.
I realize digressing into velocity to avoid matter is a convenient way to evade the question "why do things fall?", but I will not stop asking you the question until you answer it or admit Greene was being literal and deliberate in what he said and that he is right.
Your story about Greene ...[text shortened]... ilation. You need to explain your position, not deflect and explain nothing.
Why do things fall?
@deepthought saidNope. Time dilation from matter. This is not the first time I was specific.
I said I did not like the way he explained it, I did not say he was wrong. Your use of the word jargon here indicates you do not know what the word means. You have refused to say what you think time dilation is. State clearly and concisely what you think these words mean.
Why didn't you like the way he explained it? Either he is right or wrong, which one is it that you claim? If there is a flaw in the way he explained it then by all means clarify what the truth is. The floor is yours. Tell us what you mean. Nobody is stopping you. We are all ears.
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@metal-brain saidNot for the answers to your stupid questions. You have the arrogant delusion that there are actually some people here on your side; NONE of us are.
We are all ears
@humy saidYou are a liar. You do not speak for everyone. You are not "us".
Not for the answers to your stupid questions. You have the arrogant delusion that there are actually some people here on your side; NONE of us are.
I ask good questions that I have already answered. The fact that none of you can offer another explanation says a lot. Greene is right. You are wrong.
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@metal-brain saidI didn't say I "speak for everyone". I said the words "people here" as in the posters here other than you and nothing I said there implied we are in total agreement with everything. We are not in total agreement with everything, only that we all disagree with you on certain things not all things and I never implied anything more than that.
You are a liar. You do not speak for everyone. You are not "us".
Name just one poster here that has shown agreement with you that "time dilation IS gravity" even in special relativity ...
@humy saidI am not interested in a popularity contest. Wanting me to be wrong does not make me wrong, hence no alternative explanation or proof Greene is mistaken.
I didn't say I "speak for everyone". I said the words "people here" as in the posters here other than you and nothing I said there implied we are in total agreement with everything. We are not in total agreement with everything, only that we all disagree with you on certain things not all things and I never implied anything more than that.
Name just one poster here that has shown agreement with you that "time dilation IS gravity" even in special relativity ...
I am right and you know it. You just don't want to admit it, hence the childish tantrums, lies and ad hominem attacks. Sucks to be you.
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@metal-brain saidNeither am I and I wasn't speaking of any and that doesn't change the fact you have shown to be wrong many times and yet you have the arrogant delusion that there are some people here that agree with what you say about time dilation when the science experts here say you are wrong about that.
I am not interested in a popularity contest.
@metal-brain saidAs you yourself report it, Greene did not say "time dilation" he said "time warp". You identify "time warp" as meaning "time dilation". I have good reason to believe otherwise. First I want to establish what you think the words "jargon" and "time dilation" actually mean. Use a dictionary if you need to.
You are a liar. You do not speak for everyone. You are not "us".
I ask good questions that I have already answered. The fact that none of you can offer another explanation says a lot. Greene is right. You are wrong.
@humy saidNope. Greene is the science expert and you have not proved either of us wrong. Lying will not make it true.
Neither am I and I wasn't speaking of any and that doesn't change the fact you have shown to be wrong many times and yet you have the arrogant delusion that there are some people here that agree with what you say about time dilation when the science experts here say you are wrong about that.
@deepthought saidYou are in denial.
As you yourself report it, Greene did not say "time dilation" he said "time warp". You identify "time warp" as meaning "time dilation". I have good reason to believe otherwise. First I want to establish what you think the words "jargon" and "time dilation" actually mean. Use a dictionary if you need to.
Greene was obviously talking about time dilation. He said time at his head passes faster than at his feet. That is time warp he was talking about, time dilation.
What other time warp is there? You are attempting to deny the obvious. Now you must explain what other time warp he could possibly be referring to and you cannot do it.
Admit you are wrong. It is obvious he is referring to time dilation. He described it perfectly. You must be really desperate to deny something so obvious. You are not fooling anyone here. Your denial is obvious.
@metal-brain saidWhat do you think the word jargon means?
You are in denial.
Greene was obviously talking about time dilation. He said time at his head passes faster than at his feet. That is time warp he was talking about, time dilation.
What other time warp is there? You are attempting to deny the obvious. Now you must explain what other time warp he could possibly be referring to and you cannot do it.
Admit you are w ...[text shortened]... lly desperate to deny something so obvious. You are not fooling anyone here. Your denial is obvious.
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@deepthought saidConfused unintelligible language. What other time warp is there?
What do you think the word jargon means?
@metal-brain saidFully ensconced in the lunatic fringe now. So now you add the time dilation conspiracy to the anti- climate change alarmist conspiracy.
Confused unintelligible language. What other time warp is there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcvq1DAM-DE
Let's see you prove time dilation causes gravity and BTW, explain why going fast also causes time dilation.
Also BTW, that video says Earth is not moving through space when we know it is part of the Milky way and conjoined in the general spinning and movement of the entire galaxy along with the spiraling around the sun once a year.
Right there they go off the reservation.