@deepthought said
Ok., so temperature change leads CO_2 emissions in natural climate change. What drives natural climate change over shortish (~50kyr) timespans? As a clue, I suggest you look at the stuff I was saying about astronomical forcing in one of the other threads on this issue.
The point is that we are looking at anthropogenic climate forcing, not natural climate change. So CO_2 levels lagging temperature changes does not "debunk" anything.
It debunks the perception of cause and effect that most people believe. Most people think the ice core samples prove CO2 caused warming in the past. It does not. This proves that even if there is anthropogenic warming you cannot be certain CO2 is the main cause of that AGW. It could be methane for all you know.
Saying it is both is an easy conclusion to make, but how much is caused by CO2 and how much is caused by methane? You don't know. Nobody does. It could very well be mostly from methane. That would mean natural gas extraction is part of the problem and a carbon tax would be ineffective and increase methane leaks from more natural gas extraction. It would actually make the problem worse.
If you cannot prove how much CO2 warms the atmosphere and how much methane warms the atmosphere you have no business pushing a carbon tax and condoning the propaganda that makes no mention of any alternative solutions.
So now you have to prove anthropogenic climate forcing. You say we are looking at it. Where is your proof and how much is the warming natural vs anthropogenic?
I don't think there is any proof GW is mostly anthropogenic. You merely ASSUME a consensus among climate scientists where there is none because that is the propaganda you have been fed for so long.
Despite being mislead by the corporate news media, the common people who believe GW is anthropogenic is only 57% according to Meet the Press. That is a majority, but only by 7%. The debate is over because of 7% of the people?
That is not right and you know it. If it was in reverse you would not like it at all. You are holding a clear double standard based on political ideology rather than the facts.
What if you listened to Science Friday and Ira Flatow said "loop quantum gravity is superior to string theory and the debate is over, the science is settled". Then he had guests on the program trashing string theory that are not even physicists.
Same thing, right?