Originally posted by Thequ1ckyes, and it isn't the dyslexia that is the direct cause but rather the unemployment that often comes with dyslexia
Agree Totally. Although I will say the people I've met with dyslexia do tend to have more developed practical skills. Might just be chance.
[quote]Can you give/list just a few specific examples of these "statements" you are ...[text shortened]... ld metal debilitation's and provide an up-to-date, contextual
reporting mechanism.
Sure, here's one.
You should not report using a scale of results beyond the means of the measuring apparatus.
In this case we are reporting results on peoples mental health without referencing it to up-to-date sociological context.
what “up-to-date sociological context”? Give an example of an “ up-to-date sociological context” that would make such a report misleading.
"In 1973, psychologist David Rosenhan published the Rosenhan experiment, a study questioning the validity of psychiatric diagnoses.[59] The study arranged for eight individuals with no history of psychopathology to attempt admission into psychiatric hospitals. The individuals included a graduate student, psychologists, an artist, a housewife, and two physicians, including one psychiatrist. All eight individuals were admitted with a diagnosis of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.
...The study concluded that individuals without mental disorders were indistinguishable from those suffering from mental disorders"
that just means that those that did the psychiatric diagnoses then failed to adhere to the real science of psychiatry.
A misdiagnoses would be unlikely if they just stuck strictly to the real science and were scientific about it.
I am sure none of the psychologists I know of in the care homes I used to work in would have nor did misdiagnosed anyone with schizophrenia -they are very careful about that.
I should also point out that this experiment was done in 1973 and much may have ( and probably has ) improved since then and thus the results may imply extremely little or even absolutely nothing about modern day psychiatry.
There was a time when many psychiatrists believed in freudism but now most quite rightly see freudism as pseudoscience -just one example of an improvement in psychiatry.
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Originally posted by humy
Sure, here's one.
You should not report using a scale of results beyond the means of the measuring apparatus.
In this case we are reporting results on peoples mental health without referencing it to up-to-date sociological context.
what “up-to-date sociological context”? Give an example of an “ up-to-date sociological context” t ite rightly see freudism as pseudoscience -just one example of an improvement in psychiatry.
what “up-to-date sociological context”? Give an example of an “ up-to-date sociological context” that would make such a report misleading.
Sure. War, famine, disease and socio-economic struggle. To name but a few.
For example. If I was in Afghanistan, there was a sniper about and I had to pick someone to patrol with. I would chose the paranoid guy, simply because
we would have a greater chance for survival. Maybe also a fat dude.
A misdiagnoses would be unlikely if they just stuck strictly to the real science and were scientific about it.
I disagree strongly. I have made a case whereby scientific 'law' is impelled without regard to a logical basis for it's own misgivings.
To me this is deeply unscientific and needs to be addressed at a 'grass roots' level.
Modern day psychiatry is the science of failings. 'If we don't do this then that might happen.'.
There is no imputus on making people 'better' just the masking of poor results. This is atypical for a study which is intrinsically incapable of
assessing it's own parameters.
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckwhat “up-to-date sociological context”? Give an example of an “ up-to-date sociological context” that would make such a report misleading.
Sure. War, famine, disease and socio-economic struggle. To name but a few.
For example. If I was in Afghanistan, there was a sniper about and I had to pick someone to patrol with. I would chose the pical for a study which is intrinsically incapable of
assessing it's own parameters.
Sure. War, famine, disease and socio-economic struggle. To name but a few.
For example. If I was in Afghanistan, there was a sniper about and I had to pick someone to patrol with. I would chose the paranoid guy, simply because
we would have a greater chance for survival.
and this would make a report "using a scale of results beyond the means of the measuring apparatus” misleading because....?
I have made a case whereby scientific 'law' is impelled without regard to a logical basis for it's own misgivings.
what “scientific 'law' ” are you referring to here?
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Originally posted by humy*sighs* I wish how what you're saying were true. The truth is modern psychiatry, much the same
When a psychiatrist makes a misdiagnosis, that is normally not the fault of modern psychiatry but of the psychiatrist.
as medicine is bound and gagged into a system which defers to dis-allowance over
enablement.
The problem does not rest upon the shoulders of psychiatrists but the system itself.
There are no self-analytical tools in place thereby making science too 'dumb'
and hypocritical to be of justice.
My theory is that science should be 'enabled', self-discriminatory and a powerful tool for moving 'forward'.
As it stands it's a layman's shovel 'used for picking up dog poo'.
edit. Not sure why I quoted the last part.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckYou do realize there is a difference between psychiatry and psychology? I have a friend who is a child certified psychiatrist and his job is to dispense pills and if he attempts to talk much to his patients he gets in trouble. Psychologists are the ones who actually take the time to try to figure out what is going on inside someone's head.
Well that's a pretty shoddy hit-rate if you ask me.
Suicide is pretty much the only 'truth' that psychiatry is equipped to deal with and instead they just kinda look at each other and shrug 'seems legit' they say.
'ya, if I were in his/her shoes, I'd blow my own head off too'.
I put forward the proposition that psychiatry is not only scientifically ...[text shortened]... acks will just throw a load of debilitating pills down their throat to fix the problem.
Besides, the science of psychiatry AND psychology are new sciences, less than 100 years old or so.
There is solid scientific work being done on a daily basis, like funtional MRI's and the like that is sussing out exactly what is going on in the brains of people with problems and with normal people, seeing the difference in which part of the brain is malfunctioning.
There is solid progress being made in those areas which helps all brands of mental health.
I think you are bitching about a subject too young to bitch about. Come back in a hundred years and you will see things will have changed significantly.
For instance, I have 2 sons, adopted, who were born cocaine addicted, the bio mom was a druggie and prostitute and they are severely limited in what they can do, like they read on a 3rd grade level and have difficulty counting out money.
There is research going on right now to activate or add stem cells in the brain to replace brain cells lost to the drugs.
All that adds up to help for all forms of mental health workers.
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Originally posted by sonhouse
You do realize there is a difference between psychiatry and psychology? I have a friend who is a child certified psychiatrist and his job is to dispense pills and if he attempts to talk much to his patients he gets in trouble. Psychologists are the ones who actually take the time to try to figure out what is going on inside someone's head.
Besides, the s n cells lost to the drugs.
All that adds up to help for all forms of mental health workers.
who were born cocaine addicted, the bio mom was a druggie and prostitute and they are severely limited in what they can do, like they read on a 3rd grade level and have difficulty counting out money.
my jaw dropped when I read that part. What a ghastly unfair start to life.
Originally posted by humyYes, about as unfair as it can get.who were born cocaine addicted, the bio mom was a druggie and prostitute and they are severely limited in what they can do, like they read on a 3rd grade level and have difficulty counting out money.
my jaw dropped when I read that part. What a ghastly unfair start to life.
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Originally posted by sonhouse
You do realize there is a difference between psychiatry and psychology? I have a friend who is a child certified psychiatrist and his job is to dispense pills and if he attempts to talk much to his patients he gets in trouble. Psychologists are the ones who actually take the time to try to figure out what is going on inside someone's head.
Besides, the s n cells lost to the drugs.
All that adds up to help for all forms of mental health workers.
You do realize there is a difference between psychiatry and psychology?
Yah dude, noticed. On a free health-care system here, remember?
Help with progressive adaptment and development - nil points.
Help with shutting the door after the horse has bolted - extra credits.
Gottit.
malfunctioning.
Really don't like that word. Each of us is a submission away from
willingly going out and killing other people in the name of being a soldier.
That's sane.
There is solid progress being made in those areas which helps all brands of mental health.
On a quantitative level yes. But that just makes for zombies, as discussed.
For instance, I have 2 sons, adopted, who were born cocaine addicted, the bio mom was a druggie and prostitute and they are severely limited in what they can do, like they read on a 3rd grade level and have difficulty counting out money.
Well, that just makes you awesome. I wish more people had your courage and ability.
There is research going on right now to activate or add stem cells in the brain to replace brain cells lost to the drugs.
I don't do drugs. That's not my bag. Are you wondering why I give a s*** is that it? Just saying what I see.
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Originally posted by sonhouse
You do realize there is a difference between psychiatry and psychology? I have a friend who is a child certified psychiatrist and his job is to dispense pills and if he attempts to talk much to his patients he gets in trouble. Psychologists are the ones who actually take the time to try to figure out what is going on inside someone's head.
Besides, the s n cells lost to the drugs.
All that adds up to help for all forms of mental health workers.
There is research going on right now to activate or add stem cells in the brain to replace brain cells lost to the drugs.
when that research is successful ( and it is just a question of how long -10 years time? 100 years time? ), it should not only help people like your sons that have been harmed by drags but also people that lost brain cells as a result to things other than drugs such as dementia, malaria ( which often causes brain damage ) , meningitis etc. That would be just great all round when that becomes part of psychiatry.
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckMaybe you are showing people naturally happy, neat video anyway. What country do you live in?
Il n'y a pas de mouvement sans rythme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=lVPLIuBy9CY
Here is another percussion video you might get a kick out of:
"Music for one apartment and 6 drummers", its a gas. Might be Norwegian.
Then there is always "Stomp", ever hear of them? I saw this at an Imax:
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