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if we had proof that that life existed on other planets, do you think the governments will keep it secret?
Originally posted by eatmybishopI don't think the scientists want to keep it secret.
if we had proof that that life existed on other planets, do you think the governments will keep it secret?
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt already seems more than likely we won't be finding much of the latter.
I don't think the scientists want to keep it secret.
We're talking about bacterial life here, aren't we?
Not about some kind of nearby high technological civilisation...?
Originally posted by sonhouseOur technological civilisation has been sending radio transmisions in some 100 years. Another technological civilisation perhaps been there for thousands of years, abandoned the crude radioband, sending in neutrino radiation, or gravitation radiation instead. (Pure speculations of course.) Star Trek people use subspace transmissions, because radio band is so slow (only the speed of light). We are now talking about an advance technology of cours, of a type our own infant technological civilisation doesn't not yet posess.
It already seems more than likely we won't be finding much of the latter.
Our radio telescopes can pick up OUR civilization if we were on the other side of our galaxy. The fact that we don't indicates they must be few and far between in both space and time. Like a pulse of indisputable noise from a civilization that lasts for 10,000 years can go by many ti ...[text shortened]... ff NOT knowing these ''high and mighty" civilizations who might think of us as dinner....
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt seems likely we will not be using radio waves some time into the future because of better means whatever they turn out to be. I suspect though, whatever means it turns out to be, can be detected by the right sensors at LY distances. Here at my company we are advancing the art of getting more and more information down a optical fiber. I now test a laser modulator pumping 40 Gigahertz down a single fiber over a distance of 60 Km, and we are developing one that will send 1000 Gigahertz down the fiber. (1 Terabit/second), so there is also the possibility the signals can disappear completely, all hidden within fibers. That still leaves machinery, which if run by electricity, will still make radio noise. I think it's that and not the communications technique that will give away a civilization. Unless they are totally paranoid and take really big steps to eliminate any radio emissions from machinery.
Our technological civilisation has been sending radio transmisions in some 100 years. Another technological civilisation perhaps been there for thousands of years, abandoned the crude radioband, sending in neutrino radiation, or gravitation radiation instead. (Pure speculations of course.) Star Trek people use subspace transmissions, because radio band is here are a message vowen into the decimal expansion in the pi constant. Authors can do that.
Originally posted by eatmybishopOnly until they figure out a way to tax it!
if we had proof that that life existed on other planets, do you think the governments will keep it secret?
Originally posted by Shallow BlueMuch more importantly, do you think that the 'government' would be the first to know?
Do you think the governments - all of them - would suddenly be able to cooperate well enough to keep it a secret?
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Originally posted by twhiteheadUnless the proported aliens landed on the whitehouse lawn, scientists, astronomers, would be the first to know and they would have no problem calling up all their pals to verify the findings and then spread the news to universities first, get the first papers in, etc., by then the governments would have no chance of hiding the knowledge behind a spook corridor. Can you imagine the feeding frenzy these governments would go through trying to control them and suck off as much technology as possible to make sure THEIR country would be the first to get the new planet busters and stealth robots.
Much more importantly, do you think that the 'government' would be the first to know?
Your assumption seems to be that governments would either share the information with other governments or that the information would be so readily available that more than one government would find out.
I am not sure that co-operation is needed to keep a secret.
...[text shortened]... entists and a lot of them do not require government approval before publishing their findings.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhat you mustn't forget is that the arms industry is not about governments wanting new arms its about arms manufacturers wanting to sell their goods. So it would not be so much governments competing for weapons tech, but rather arms companies competing for the patents etc.
Unless the proported aliens landed on the whitehouse lawn, scientists, astronomers, would be the first to know and they would have no problem calling up all their pals to verify the findings and then spread the news to universities first, get the first papers in, etc., by then the governments would have no chance of hiding the knowledge behind a spook corri ...[text shortened]... to make sure THEIR country would be the first to get the new planet busters and stealth robots.
Originally posted by FabianFnasMy guess would be that because (for better or worse) the lone superpower on the planet is the USA . If I came all that distance to communicate, I'd want to talk to the head honcho, the big cheese, the top dog, the BMOC. ... 😉
Why would the aliens land in a country who takes arms, in a land with triggerhappy presidents, whenever something happens? I wouldn't...[/b]
Originally posted by PinkFloydIf you enter a unknown town, do you seek up the local Hells Angel farm? Or do you go to a more peaceful place?
My guess would be that because (for better or worse) the lone superpower on the planet is the USA . If I came all that distance to communicate, I'd want to talk to the head honcho, the big cheese, the top dog, the BMOC. ... 😉
Originally posted by PinkFloydAny sensible alien would want to communicate with the scientists not the politicians. If they did want to communicate politically they would probably go to the UN (if they new enough about earth politics.).
My guess would be that because (for better or worse) the lone superpower on the planet is the USA . If I came all that distance to communicate, I'd want to talk to the head honcho, the big cheese, the top dog, the BMOC. ... 😉