Originally posted by PinkFloydIt remains to be seen if humans as a whole are intelligent enough to see they have to change things in their collective lives if they want to avoid climatic catastrophe. If 300 years from now the population of the planet is a couple million we will have our answer.
In a word, yes. 😏
Originally posted by PinkFloydScientists have invented lots of things that are better for the environment and don't cost a fortune. Many of the things we can do to reduce global warming are also good for our bottom line too.
So, I'll keep the A/C at MAX HI, but when some scientist invents a better system that's better for the environment AND doesn't cost a fortune, I'll be on board all the way.😀
The problem is that they are not necessarily good for big oil and other energy producers. That is why I suspected you of being on somebodies payroll.
If you want your A/C to be more efficient, then try insulation. It will save you money in the long run (but then you don't like thinking in the long run do you?).
Originally posted by twhiteheadI'm on no one's payroll!!🙄 Thaty's the biggest joke I've heard in quite some time. No oil $$, no stock options. No stock period. And I don't mind thinking ahead--I do it every time I get in my car.
Scientists have invented lots of things that are better for the environment and don't cost a fortune. Many of the things we can do to reduce global warming are also good for our bottom line too.
The problem is that they are not necessarily good for big oil and other energy producers. That is why I suspected you of being on somebodies payroll.
If you wan ...[text shortened]... ill save you money in the long run (but then you don't like thinking in the long run do you?).
So if any of these "lots of things" scientists have invented that efficiently keep my house at a comfy 65 in July down here in the Deep South, I'd like to see them. Are they at Home Depot? If the cost runs along the lines of solar panels, to quote one of my favorite movies (Used Cars): "that's too @#$%in' HIGH!"
Originally posted by PinkFloydSo why is it a problem when it comes to global warming?
And I don't mind thinking ahead--I do it every time I get in my car.
So if any of these "lots of things" scientists have invented that efficiently keep my house at a comfy 65 in July down here in the Deep South, I'd like to see them. Are they at Home Depot?
There are too many to list. The best ones involve government policy including power generation policies an building policies. Most buildings are not built to be energy efficient because the builder gets to spend less that way. However the owner ends up spending more on power to keep the building at the temperature they desire. The only cure for this is for government to provide an incentive for builders to build more energy efficient buildings.
Originally posted by twhiteheadAnd since I'm neither a builder, nor in position to take advantage of any of the gov't incentives by buying a house that has these goodies in them, I'm agnostic on this issue--it neither hurts nor harms me. If it helps some people get a break buying a new home AND helps the environment, well that's a win-win; a no-brainer. I still haven't heard any great scientific inventions I might find at the Home Depot that will save the planet and cost less than a Big Mac and fries, however. 😀
So why is it a problem when it comes to global warming?
[b]So if any of these "lots of things" scientists have invented that efficiently keep my house at a comfy 65 in July down here in the Deep South, I'd like to see them. Are they at Home Depot?
There are too many to list. The best ones involve government policy including power generation polici ...[text shortened]... for government to provide an incentive for builders to build more energy efficient buildings.[/b]
Originally posted by PinkFloydYet you implied earlier in the thread that we should not even try to do no-brainer type stuff because we are too busy with the high unemployment.
And since I'm neither a builder, nor in position to take advantage of any of the gov't incentives by buying a house that has these goodies in them, I'm agnostic on this issue--it neither hurts nor harms me. If it helps some people get a break buying a new home AND helps the environment, well that's a win-win; a no-brainer.
Or is this whole conversation because you feel guilty about using your aircon?
I still haven't heard any great scientific inventions I might find at the Home Depot that will save the planet and cost less than a Big Mac and fries, however. 😀
There are plenty of them. Here in SA we have largely switched to florescent lighting. I know it has downsides like mercury, but it sure does save power and is cheaper for both the consumer and the country and better for the environment (in terms of global warming).
But why do you need a Home Depot solution? Is that where you are going to find the solution to unemployment, healthcare and the national debt?
And why should it cost less than a Big Mac and fries? As I already said, some things actually benefit you financially. You could for example stick a brick in the cistern for a flush toilet and save water. You can probably get the brick for free.
Originally posted by twhiteheadOr collect rain water to use in flushing. Or recycling bathwater, gray water flush. That saves 30 percent of water usage.
Yet you implied earlier in the thread that we should not even try to do no-brainer type stuff because we are too busy with the high unemployment.
Or is this whole conversation because you feel guilty about using your aircon?
[b]I still haven't heard any great scientific inventions I might find at the Home Depot that will save the planet and cost less ...[text shortened]... rick in the cistern for a flush toilet and save water. You can probably get the brick for free.
Originally posted by sonhouseNone of which can be bought in Home Depot and cost less than a Big Mac and fries, but they will save the user money, and be good for the environment.
Or collect rain water to use in flushing. Or recycling bathwater, gray water flush. That saves 30 percent of water usage.
I think he has been mislead into believing that what's good for the environment is automatically bad for his pocket. That's the american political system for you.
Originally posted by twhiteheadIndeed, it's a buy buy buy economy, throw it away, get the newest model.
None of which can be bought in Home Depot and cost less than a Big Mac and fries, but they will save the user money, and be good for the environment.
I think he has been mislead into believing that what's good for the environment is automatically bad for his pocket. That's the american political system for you.
But it is changing slowly, but fast enough remains to be seen. Personally I think it is too late, we have already tipped the scales.
All you have to do is look at the destruction being reaped in the US alone, mile wide tornadoes, firestorms never seen in such savagery before and such.
It is only going to get worse not better unless we do some drastic actions.
Even if we do, the rest of the world may not follow so even if the US goes totally green in terms of CO2 and 100% renewable energy, if the world doesn't follow, it does no good. China, India, Germany, all the big producers of the world have to be on board too.
Don't think that is going to happen in time. Chine seems to be leading the way now since all it takes is edicts from the top but here? Quibble quibble grouse grouse is all you will hear from the US congress.
Originally posted by sonhouseI nearly fell off my chair laughing! The US leading the way? What a joke! The US has always been the last when it comes to such things and probably always will be.
Even if we do, the rest of the world may not follow so even if the US goes totally green in terms of CO2 and 100% renewable energy, if the world doesn't follow, it does no good. China, India, Germany, all the big producers of the world have to be on board too.
We don't need to worry about the rest of the world following the US when the best we can hope for is that the US will (eventually) follow the rest of the world.