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    This can shake the hold on Chinese rare earths and give the US a much cheaper version which can make a lot of technology cheaper, cell phones, loudspeakers, any kind of permanent magnet technology, hard drives and the like.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-12-rare-earth-elements-georgia-kaolin.html
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    @sonhouse said
    This can shake the hold on Chinese rare earths and give the US a much cheaper version which can make a lot of technology cheaper, cell phones, loudspeakers, any kind of permanent magnet technology, hard drives and the like.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-12-rare-earth-elements-georgia-kaolin.html
    Reality's not as simple as the ignorant jingoistic American Sonhouse believes.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/11/us-tariffs-helping-then-hurting-domestic-rare-earth-mineral-production/

    "Tariffs on Chinese rare-earth minerals create a sticky problem for US competitors
    Rare-earth minerals mined in the US need to be sent to China for processing."

    "President Trump's tariffs on rare-earth metals from China should have been a
    boon to the only US rare-earth minerals mine in California. But a recent Wall Street
    Journal article illustrates that, given the complex nature of the global economy,
    those tariffs have actually put the Mountain Pass mine in a tough place."

    "However, most of the world's rare-earth processing facilities are in China, which
    also produces more than 90 percent of the world's rare-earth minerals. To develop
    its metals as cheaply as possible, Mountain Pass has first been shipping its ore to
    China, where the processed metals are then sold on the world market to makers of
    smartphones, laptops, and magnets that go into electric car motors and giant wind turbines.

    But in September, President Trump placed a 25 percent tariff on Chinese goods
    entering the US, and China reacted by placing a tariff on US goods entering China.
    That means Mountain Pass is paying much more to have its ore made into useable products."
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    Funny, I was wondering how long it would take before you stuck your nose into it.
    The US didn't like the idea of China being able to hold the entire planet hostage to whatever prices the Chinese thought they could charge.
    And the really STUPID tariff war will end when the criminal Trump is booted or voted out of office, either through impeachment, which probably won't happen even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt his guilt because of the way he has corrupted the entire system and now Democrats have a tiny hold on one half of congress and maybe in 2020 a lock on the senate also, the gist of that being the tariff's are short term, Democrats will kill ALL that corruption of world business and things will slowly go back to sanity.
    So for now Trump has the upper hand with his buddies in SCOTUS and the senate but that will not last. My sincere hope is the 2020 election cycle will end the Republican hold on the country and the right wingnuts will be out and sanity and normality will reign. Hopefully, 70 democrat senators to make democratic bills veto proof even if for some ungodly reason Trump *shudder* wins a second term.
    I don't think impeachment will be a good thing in the long run since that denies voters the ability to kick Trump out in 2020 but if the evidence becomes overwhelming even the Republicans will have to flip on Trump.
    But continue with your pro-China stance. China and by China I mean the present regime NOT the Chinese people are adversaries of the US and make no mistake about it, the militarization of the south China sea is provocative and a danger to the Philippines no matter how you want to slant it.
    And you never say a thing, which leads us to believe you condone it, the addition of tiny keylogger chips in computers designed by other countries but put together by Chinese engineers and if you think I am full of shyte about that, tell me where I am wrong.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Duchess64

    Funny, I was wondering how long it would take before you stuck your nose into it.
    The US didn't like the idea of China being able to hold the entire planet hostage to whatever prices the Chinese thought they could charge.
    And the really STUPID tariff war will end when the criminal Trump is booted or voted out of office, either through impeachment, which proba ...[text shortened]... ether by Chinese engineers and if you think I am full of shyte about that, tell me where I am wrong.
    As usual, the troll Sonhouse embarks upon a long-winded rant that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

    My point was simply that Sonhouse's ignorant of the reality that discovering more
    rare earths in the USA would NOT be enough to end US dependency upon China,
    given that even an existing American source of rare earths prefers to ship its raw
    material to China for processing. Will the USA be willing to invest to building
    facilities to process rare earths? Will Americans be willing to pay more to process
    rare earths in the USA instead of China?
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    Given the racist Sonhouse's evident hatred of China, Chinese culture (including its languages),
    if not everything Chinese, he should be motivated to try this on a permanent basis.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-books-madeinchina/u-s-family-tries-living-without-china-idUSN2425061320070628

    "U.S. family tries living without China"

    "The family resorted to snapping mouse traps when the gentler catch and release
    kind came from, you guessed it, China. Bongiorni got a lesson in the global
    economy after products advertised as Made in USA turned out to have Chinese parts."

    Surely, Sonhouse should enjoy paying more for products of comparable quality not 'made in China'!
    And if Sonhouse contracts malaria, surely he should boycott artemisinin (originated in China).
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    @Duchess64

    You assume too much. You know about the saying, assume makes an ass out of U and Me.

    You ignore the fact I lived with a Thai family for 2 years, a monk in fact and had many meals with them and thoroughly loved being there and that family.
    But of course I am just a jingoistic racist so I am lying about all that and my multi cultural family too. I probably live in a Brooklyn tenement surrounded by white supremacists making plans for my next mass shooting, most likely in a black southern baptist church where I can show off my masculinity by killing a bunch of black babies.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Duchess64

    You assume too much. You know about the saying, assume makes an ass out of U and Me.

    You ignore the fact I lived with a Thai family for 2 years, a monk in fact and had many meals with them and thoroughly loved being there and that family.
    But of course I am just a jingoistic racist so I am lying about all that and my multi cultural family too. I probably ...[text shortened]... lack southern baptist church where I can show off my masculinity by killing a bunch of black babies.
    The racist troll Sonhouse's burning hatred of Chinese is evident from many of his comments.

    Like many other racists, Sonhouse tries a dishonest 'apples-and-oranges' excuse,
    as though his fierce bigotry and hatred against one people (Chinese) must mean
    that he must be as bigoted and hateful against all other non-white peoples.

    Normbenign, who was one of the most racist white writers in the Debates forum,
    used to attempt to excuse his racism by claiming to have been married to a black woman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

    In 1937-38, Japanese soldiers raped and murdered hundreds of Chinese in Nanjing.
    Would Sonhouse like to deny his anti-Chinese bigotry and hatred by claiming to
    respect and admire the Japanese soldiers who did that? (sarcasm intended)
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    @Duchess64

    I know about the Japanese in WW2. You don't need to bring in what-about-himisms and you have ZERO idea of whom I hate and not. You put out BS thinking you somehow have won argument points when all you have done is to keep up with your one trick pony, sonhouse is evil.

    You don't like to talk about what the Chinese did and are doing to their own people, paving over all that death with sonhouse is evil.
    You would also deny China and Russia are working together to the detriment of the US, China hacking into our natural gas supply and Russia hacking into our electric grid.
    I therefore assume you condone all of that and of course all you will come back with is another round of Sonhouse is Evil rather than actually addressing the issues I brought up.

    The one I HATE and have always said so and should be readily apparent to even you, Trump is a criminal and actively doing Putin's bidding wittingly or unwittingly, he is causing havoc in the entire world politic, wants the US to pull out of NATO (Putin Dances) dissing our real allies (Putin has big parties) and making Kim Jon Un a world figure when the world knows he is a ruthless dictator with nothing but the idea of keeping his sorry ass in power, THAT is Un's bottom line no matter how many NK people starve.
    And, BTW, just piling on the one trick pony of your tactic, Sonhouse is evil, makes your true motives all the more obvious. You are not the only smart person here or in the world. Smart people, when having a certain POV, try to win arguments by what about himisms as an attempt to detract from the real issues and that is abundantly clear with you.
    You figure just keeping up with your one trick pony act you are somehow winning an argument when in fact all you are doing is showing the rest of us just how biased you in absolute fact, are.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Duchess64

    I know about the Japanese in WW2. You don't need to bring in what-about-himisms and you have ZERO idea of whom I hate and not. You put out BS thinking you somehow have won argument points when all you have done is to keep up with your one trick pony, sonhouse is evil.

    You don't like to talk about what the Chinese did and are doing to their own people, pavi ...[text shortened]... when in fact all you are doing is showing the rest of us just how biased you in absolute fact, are.
    The racist troll Sonhouse keeps spewing his hate and projecting his absurd fantasies onto me.

    I know much more than the willfully ignorant Sonhouse about Chinese history.
    I know many more people than Sonhouse does who have suffered through Chinese history.
    I have much more reason than the racist troll Sonhouse to care about people in China.

    The hateful racist Sonhouse still condones the USA's near genocide of people in the Philippines.
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    Say, hows about them rare earth elements, right here in the U.S. of A...
    Well, whadaya know about that?
    Hoooo wee! Ain't that something?






    Yep...
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    @lemon-lime said
    Say, hows about them rare earth elements, right here in the U.S. of A...
    Well, whadaya know about that?
    Hoooo wee! Ain't that something?






    Yep...
    Rare earth elements are distributed around the world.
    Here's a US Geological Survey map:

    https://www.energy.gov/maps/estimated-rare-earth-reserves-and-deposits

    Sonhouse apparently created this thread NOT because he has any interest in rare earths
    but in order to vent his obsessive hatred of China and everything Chinese.
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    @duchess64 said
    Rare earth elements are distributed around the world.
    Here's a US Geological Survey map:

    https://www.energy.gov/maps/estimated-rare-earth-reserves-and-deposits

    Sonhouse apparently created this thread NOT because he has any interest in rare earths
    but in order to vent his obsessive hatred of China and everything Chinese.
    The high-density minerals in the Georgia kaolin mines are potential sources of rare-earth elements, including the heavy rare-earth elements that are in high demand for many important uses and are mostly imported to the United States from China...


    It doesn't matter if it comes from China or anywhere else. If those rare earth elements were mostly imported from Elbonia the implication would be same... finding them here in the U.S. means less dependence on a particular foreign import.
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    @lemon-lime said
    he high-density minerals in the Georgia kaolin mines are potential sources of rare-earth elements, including the heavy rare-earth elements that are in high demand for many important uses and are mostly imported to the United States from China...


    It doesn't matter if it comes from China or anywhere else. If those rare earth elements were mostly imported fr ...[text shortened]... would be same... finding them here in the U.S. means less dependence on a particular foreign import.
    Again, American rare earth mines send their raw material to China (where most
    processing facilities are located) because it's cheaper to get them processed there.
    (It's like a country that has oil wells but no oil refinery.)

    ""However, most of the world's rare-earth processing facilities are in China, which
    also produces more than 90 percent of the world's rare-earth minerals. To develop
    its metals as cheaply as possible, Mountain Pass has first been shipping its ore to
    China, where the processed metals are then sold on the world market to makers of
    smartphones, laptops, and magnets that go into electric car motors and giant wind turbines.

    But in September, President Trump placed a 25 percent tariff on Chinese goods
    entering the US, and China reacted by placing a tariff on US goods entering China.
    That means Mountain Pass is paying much more to have its ore made into useable products."

    Is the USA ready to invest in building new facilities to process rare earths?
    If these facilities are not expected to be profitable, then will the US government subsidize them?

    I read that, by using massive irrigation, Saudi Arabia has been able to grow wheat.
    It costs about seven times as much to grow wheat in Saudi Arabia as in the USA.
    Obviously, Saudi Arabia could save money by importing wheat rather than growing it.
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    @duchess64 said
    Again, American rare earth mines send their raw material to China (where most
    processing facilities are located) because it's cheaper to get them processed there.
    (It's like a country that has oil wells but no oil refinery.)

    ""However, most of the world's rare-earth processing facilities are in China, which
    also produces more than 90 percent of the world's rare-earth ...[text shortened]... as in the USA.
    Obviously, Saudi Arabia could save money by importing wheat rather than growing it.
    Is the USA ready to invest in building new facilities to process rare earths?
    If these facilities are not expected to be profitable, then will the US government subsidize them?


    If the economy continues to improve, and shipping rare earths to China is not as profitable, then yes, it might be feasible.
    But if it's only possible as a government project subsidized by tax payer money, then no.
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    @lemon-lime said
    Is the USA ready to invest in building new facilities to process rare earths?
    If these facilities are not expected to be profitable, then will the US government subsidize them?


    If the economy continues to improve, and shipping rare earths to China is not as profitable, then yes, it might be feasible.
    But if it's only possible as a government project subsidized by tax payer money, then no.
    According to the free market now, American rare earth mines should (and do) ship
    their raw material to China for processing. Sonhouse seems extremely worried or
    incensed at this US 'dependency' upon China.
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