Originally posted by TaomanNow we have the most powerful cyclone about to hit Northern Queensland.
Informative statement:
"WEATHER SWITCH
The Pacific has historically switched between La Nina phases and El Ninos, which have the opposite impact by triggering droughts in Australia and Southeast Asia.
"We've always had El Ninos and we've had natural variability but the background which is now operating is different," said David Jones, head of climate ...[text shortened]... <<
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre70b1xf-us-climate-australia-floods/
Originally posted by karoly aczelAnd at the same time another monstrous blizzard in the northern Americas. Its getting a tad more frequent. Its all about the warming seas (directly with cyclones, indirectly with blizzards). Nah says the skeptics, its always been like that, but no, now we see records being broken more and more.
Now we have the most powerful cyclone about to hit Northern Queensland.
Whereas before the path of these storms were difficult to predict, this one, will definately hit tonight at midnight +/- 1 hour.
The premier has come out and said that "Storm chasers" will not be rescued.
Whatever is happenning out there, I think all average rain falls and o have had warnings for this one. The recent flood(s) came so fast that most were unprepared.
Originally posted by TaomanFruit and vege prices have gone through the roof. We couldn't get bread for days. It just reminds you that the way our system is set up, if some road gets blocked by water somewhere, all the trucks are off the road, nothing gets through.
And at the same time another monstrous blizzard in the northern Americas. Its getting a tad more frequent. Its all about the warming seas (directly with cyclones, indirectly with blizzards). Nah says the skeptics, its always been like that, but no, now we see records being broken more and more.
If I was cartoonist like my son, I'd have a bloke sitting in ...[text shortened]... s ok if now and then, but one can get punch drunk too, when its repeated too often. Not good.
Originally posted by karoly aczelAnd yet, these asssholes would refute any implication humans are a causative factor.
Fruit and vege prices have gone through the roof. We couldn't get bread for days. It just reminds you that the way our system is set up, if some road gets blocked by water somewhere, all the trucks are off the road, nothing gets through.
Wet season has started with a bang.
I'd hate to be living up in north queensland on some farm....it would really suck.
Originally posted by TaomanI am not a climate change skeptic, but I am skeptic of any claims that rely on 'feelings', or a statistical analysis of the frequency of news reports. I have often heard people say that earthquake records are being broken more and more - which after a detailed analysis turns out not to be true.
Nah says the skeptics, its always been like that, but no, now we see records being broken more and more.
Originally posted by sonhouseOh we are contributing everyday....
And yet, these asssholes would refute any implication humans are a causative factor.
What happens when the ocean temp goes up 2 degrees C or 3 degrees C? When the glaciers all melt in Iceland or Greenland or the Himalayan's? When it's too late to do something about it without totally disrupting world civilization. It might already be too late.
Originally posted by twhiteheadno, those Brisbane floods did not reach 1974 hieghts, but only just. And only because it stopped raining.
I am not a climate change skeptic, but I am skeptic of any claims that rely on 'feelings', or a statistical analysis of the frequency of news reports. I have often heard people say that earthquake records are being broken more and more - which after a detailed analysis turns out not to be true.
So can you back up your claim with any actual statistics? ...[text shortened]... now of any records that were broken? I am fairly sure the Australian floods were not a record.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell if it is a serious problem then it is time to stop predicting and start preventing.
Still, the waters came up so fast that it seems predicting these events becomes harder for the "predicters".
Originally posted by karoly aczelThe powers that be, are you and me. The reason for being conflicted is the trade off between short term gain and long term risk. If it is easier to drive than to walk to the shops 100m away then we must balance that against the possible long term risk. This is complicated by our inability to accurately calculate the long term risks.
Seems they got through that one relatively alright last night. Who knows what the future holds?
Originally posted by twhiteheadThnx for your comments ,as always.
The powers that be, are you and me. The reason for being conflicted is the trade off between short term gain and long term risk. If it is easier to drive than to walk to the shops 100m away then we must balance that against the possible long term risk. This is complicated by our inability to accurately calculate the long term risks.
I find that the vas ...[text shortened]... hort term costs and so downplay the possible long term risk - even if it means lying to do so.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI am sure you are right. But he must balance the short term gain (easily getting to the shops, minimal effort required) with long term risk (global warming, pollution, and early death doe to obesity).
Like I said, this guy looks like the fat one from Ten D, so the 100m walk would prolly do him and everyone else a lot of good.
Just sayin.....
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes records are being broken regularly of late. Can't get them at present but will later.
I am not a climate change skeptic, but I am skeptic of any claims that rely on 'feelings', or a statistical analysis of the frequency of news reports. I have often heard people say that earthquake records are being broken more and more - which after a detailed analysis turns out not to be true.
So can you back up your claim with any actual statistics? ...[text shortened]... now of any records that were broken? I am fairly sure the Australian floods were not a record.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThis Australian BOM site outlines clearly recent data on climate records of late. The principal movers on this continent are the La Nina and El Nino dry/wet oscillations so we see bushfire/dry extremes some years and flood/wet extremes other years. Both are related to global warming, as is the increased snow in the US. Floods and snow extremes are what skeptics point to to debunk GW, yet it is right down the line of scientific outcomes to warming.
I am not a climate change skeptic, but I am skeptic of any claims that rely on 'feelings', or a statistical analysis of the frequency of news reports. I have often heard people say that earthquake records are being broken more and more - which after a detailed analysis turns out not to be true.
So can you back up your claim with any actual statistics? ...[text shortened]... now of any records that were broken? I am fairly sure the Australian floods were not a record.
Originally posted by TaomanYes, but I am looking for actual statistics not general feeling based on news reports.
Of course individual extreme events do not a climate make, but its the various aspects together that are convincing indicators - the increasing repetition and shorter time spans becoming evident;