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19 May 20
@deepthought saidNeat.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117?fbclid=IwAR3XyzNM70zFIVBag8ThY-lXCrC4CuFzt5jYW0C5D1Q1Li6TPUHE6Zz15yY
Do you think its a good idea to stop virology from attacking humanity?
19 May 20
@deepthought saidhttps://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117?fbclid=IwAR3XyzNM70zFIVBag8ThY-lXCrC4CuFzt5jYW0C5D1Q1Li6TPUHE6Zz15yY
is actually enough. I Always try to cut those pesky id-thingies.
For all who wonder About the contents: It is a really well done study on the dropelts expelled by people talking...and the fate of these small particles.
Maks help actually (to keep the wearer from spreading the disease [not only but including the current pandemic-causing SARS-CoV2])
19 May 20
@Ponderable
Better still -- force everyone to wear rubber suits by law punishable by death. No touching, no kissing, no sex, and mandatory chemical showers every day.
Sort of reminds me of the brilliant push by the US gov. in the 1950s to discourage breast-feeding, touching babies, hugging children, and to promote anti-bacterial chemicals in soap and cleaning products. Now here's the great irony: this led to an entire new generation of mentally neurotic, screwed up people, plus an epidemic of chronic diseases, allergies, and nervous system disorders unlike anything ever seen in human history.
19 May 20
@eladar saidthe "minimal" is the point in question. If hospitals couldn't cope in some areas with "only" a few percent infected how would it have been with much more? That is the background for "flattening the curve".
Better yet, get everyone of good health 50 to 6 sick with covid and then you will have herd immunity with minimal deaths.
19 May 20
@ponderable saidThanks, I'll do that in future, cut out the ID thing. The thread title was meant to be "Shut the <adjective> up", but the arrowed brackets did some damage. Yes, it's a nice study.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117
is actually enough. I Always try to cut those pesky id-thingies.
For all who wonder About the contents: It is a really well done study on the dropelts expelled by people talking...and the fate of these small particles.
Maks help actually (to keep the wearer from spreading the disease [not only but including the current pandemic-causing SARS-CoV2])
19 May 20
@ponderable saidSo how can we pretend we saved more lives, got it.
the "minimal" is the point in question. If hospitals couldn't cope in some areas with "only" a few percent infected how would it have been with much more? That is the background for "flattening the curve".
19 May 20
@ponderable saidMy guess is that in the UK about 10% of the population have been infected so far. The IFR is about 1% and is age dependent. However, about 5% of cases are severe enough to require hospitalisation. Those who've recovered can have lung damage. Suppose we need about 40 million people to be infected for herd immunity in the UK, this is lower than the lowest end of estimates. That would mean up to about 2 million people with severe lung injury from covid-19. It's a pretty significant cost.
the "minimal" is the point in question. If hospitals couldn't cope in some areas with "only" a few percent infected how would it have been with much more? That is the background for "flattening the curve".
@ponderable saidMost of those killed by Covid had less than 5 I would wager, certainly no more than 10.
Indeed not many people living today will live in hundred yeras' time...
At the moment the US is at 97 percent expected deaths according to the CDC.
20 May 20
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@eladar saidHuman life is precise. Just one extra month of life to a normal human is worth more than an infinite amount of money let alone the sometimes pathetic amount of money required to extend a human life by that extra month.
According to Sh half the US deaths were from nursing home patients who had at most 5 months to live even without covid.
We should give nursing home patients at least that extra month. Personally I prefer when people only die when they are very old from diseases or weakness we couldn't easily prevent them from getting.
You can assert we all have at most 112 years to live even without covid and argue 'therefore' we should let ourselves all get it and allow even more thousands of lives be wasted now; But why when we can prevent so many extra deaths of precise lives from being wasted now rather than much later? Given a choice, with all else being equal, would you choose to live for only one month or much longer?