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Originally posted by EladarThat seems to work for male-female separation, females do much better without the alpha male BS that makes them feel inferior and as the article says, there are plenty of women with 'profound' gifts in math, and by extension, every other art or science but like my wife, she was told she would never do anything in school by her mother, her brothers and friends, later testing out to an IQ of 155 and her daughter, my step daughter, tested out at 170. I worshiped both of them and would have encouraged both to do anything they wanted and my wife did attend nursing school and got the highest grade pretty much ever in california history which shows how the degradation she experienced as a youth follows her to this day. It is just a shame women are treated this way. And in maths, boys of exceptional ability pretty much ignored too so it's more than a gender issue in the US. It shows how the US is becoming more backwards each year and how the US is headed for a climate of foreigners doing the science once done by native born americans. You can see the trend already, three japanese winning the nobel in physics, one called american was born in Japan (Nambu).
I'd say that low respect for math keeps a number of guys and girls out of studying math. We have a growing culture of "anti-education".
I agree that we have a systemic flaw in US education and that flaw is that everyone is supposed to get the same education. Much better are other models where kids with different abilities go to different schools to rece ...[text shortened]... great education. That's the way most of the world does it and I think it is the right way.
Originally posted by EladarYou never had to deal with boys teasing girls to frustration, I have seen it time and time again as both a parent and when I was in school, girls get quite an inferiority complex as a result of being in class with boys around.
[b]That seems to work for male-female separation, females do much better without the alpha male BS that makes them feel inferior and as the article says
From my experience, the "aplha male BS" does not exist.[/b]
Originally posted by EladarI am not talking out the side of my mouth here, I am talking about the upper ability range in maths, not talking about average grades in english or social studies or history, I am talking about the ignored genius. People like me with just superior minds are not going to shake up the world. I know I have talent but not world shaking genius. It is those kids I am talking about. Did you actually read the piece or just start spouting off without research, knowing you already know it all and so can venture pithy comments on the fly?
[b]You never had to deal with boys teasing girls to frustration
Not in math classes.
If girls can't compete with the alpha male crap, then why is it that when it comes to grades in general girls outstrip boys?
Once again, you demonstrate the fact that you just like to go off about nothing.[/b]
Originally posted by EladarWell that is something. But still, the subject is the ones with over the top ability, not your average high IQ type destined to a nice job with an MBA or such.
Teaching math for about 15 years.
Originally posted by EladarWell change that last word to mediocrity and I agree.
Even if identified, the US model does not try to give certain kids better educations and other kids worse. Everyone is to receive the exact same education. We do not strive to produce the very best, we strive to produce consistency.