1. Subscriberhuckleberryhound
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    29 Sep '06 14:14
    Originally posted by catfoodtim
    I think the site has outgrown the current roles of voluntary moderators.

    The site needs either more moderators, with specific tasks, responsibilties and instructions as what posts to remove and how to work consistently, or a permanent moderator who can maximise the time spent enforcing the Terms of Service.

    There also needs to be more accountabili ...[text shortened]... rity and it shows that the forums need to be looked at seriously, and moved to the next stage.
    did phlabs tell you to post this ?
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    01 Nov '06 15:002 edits
    Originally posted by catfoodtim


    I think the current state of the forums is a symptom of the site's popularity and it shows that the forums need to be looked at seriously, and moved to the next stage.
    I think you are right about more moderators needed etc.

    What do you mean by "the current state of the forums"?
    Do you [like me] think the site is becoming less popular because of the rubbish in the forums?

    [obviously I don't have all the statistics so I couldn't know for certain]
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    01 Nov '06 15:40
    Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
    I think you are right about more moderators needed etc.

    What do you mean by "the current state of the forums"?
    Do you [like me] think the site is becoming less popular because of the rubbish in the forums?

    [obviously I don't have all the statistics so I couldn't know for certain]
    I think Debate is a HUGE black mark on RHP.

    The problem is some users put racist trash out and it upsets one group of users, another group treats it like an interesting topic and debates against it, and yet another group takes the whole thing as a way for them to say more racist crap.

    I as a moderator only go near Help, Site Ideas, Chess, and General. Posers once in a bit, and Spirits sometimes also. Once in a while I will go and take something really bad from debates, but for the most part when I mod I want to clean it all or nothing. Debates has gotten way past what I can do to clean it up. Removing one thing is hard when there is so much... and as bad as a topic might be there is always a good user there to debate the topic in a logical fashion.

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    01 Nov '06 21:151 edit
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    I think Debate is a HUGE black mark on RHP.

    The problem is some users put racist trash out and it upsets one group of users, another group treats it like an interesting topic and debates against it, and yet another group takes the whole thing as a way for them to say more racist crap.

    I as a moderator only go near Help, Site Ideas, Chess, and Gener ...[text shortened]... topic might be there is always a good user there to debate the topic in a logical fashion.

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    By its very nature the Debates Forum is going to bring out heated, 'objectionable' crap that riles up people and offends. The Spirituality Forum sometimes does, as well.

    I think removing one or both, however, would be - in your words - a HUGE black mark against RHP. The forums would be reduced to a colorless, insipid little caricature of what they are now - a thriving, informative, humorous, and yes, at times, angry little place where people meet.

    Whether it was Russ' intention or not when he started this site, the Forums have grown to be an integral, and to some people, the most important part of this site.

    Besides, I have no idea what the stats would show, but I imagine a large number of the people who come to RHP never even go into the forums.

    Maybe the little note below the 'Post' button now referring to 'no flaming, spamming ... posts may be subject to moderation' could be moved to the top of a new post and made a little more visible?

    Other than that, I don't know - a couple more people with the power to moderate.

    I think having a different name for the moderator (as opposed to the mods now using the name they play and post under) - and having Russ add those names to an official 'mod list' would be good.

    I also think that rather than removing posts/threads, locking them with a last post reason from a moderator would be good - let everyone see who/what caused a thread to be locked.
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    02 Nov '06 00:13
    Originally posted by treetalk
    I also think that rather than removing posts/threads, locking them with a last post reason from a moderator would be good - let everyone see who/what caused a thread to be locked.
    I think that is a much better idea than deleting threads entirely. It is aggravating when you are engaging other people when suddenly the thread disappears.
  6. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    02 Nov '06 05:51
    Originally posted by Draxus
    I think that is a much better idea than deleting threads entirely. It is aggravating when you are engaging other people when suddenly the thread disappears.
    I'm sorry, but I don't agree. Things are removed because they don't belong at RHP. Most often, I feel the user knows and is just 'going for it' with hopes it gets past moderation at RHP.

    When things go over the line at RHP, they are removed. There is no area where you have things that 'shouldn't be' at RHP but stay on RHP.

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    06 Nov '06 12:57
    The state of the forums is such that while I was a primary agitator against the mods in the first Forum Drama two years ago, I would be squarely on their side in any that ensues in the future, and I agree with the side I have taken/would take in each case.
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    06 Nov '06 13:46
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    The state of the forums is such that while I was a primary agitator against the mods in the first Forum Drama two years ago, I would be squarely on their side in any that ensues in the future, and I agree with the side I have taken/would take in each case.
    When you wake up in the morning does your bed get out of you?
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    06 Nov '06 13:51
    Originally posted by royalchicken
    The state of the forums is such that while I was a primary agitator against the mods in the first Forum Drama two years ago, I would be squarely on their side in any that ensues in the future, and I agree with the side I have taken/would take in each case.
    As the laws of motion tell us that you cannot reach two different positions on a line without being in every point in between at some point in time as what time were you neither in favour nor opposed to the mods?
    At this point in time you would be neither a mod nor a rocker and therefore must fall into a different category thereby showing that mod != ~rocker.
    And furthermore, as this third case exists and you are the first documented member of said case, what do you want your name to be?
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    06 Nov '06 14:031 edit
    Originally posted by XanthosNZ
    As the laws of motion tell us that you cannot reach two different positions on a line without being in every point in between at some point in time as what time were you neither in favour nor opposed to the mods?
    At this point in time you would be neither a mod nor a rocker and therefore must fall into a different category thereby showing that mod != ~ro ...[text shortened]... e exists and you are the first documented member of said case, what do you want your name to be?
    Continuity of the sort of transformations which model motion is a feature of the model, not of the motion itself. Besides, motion itself is a bad analogy for a changing opinion in altered circumstances. An electrical engineer should be able to name numerous better analogies from xyr own field.

    The second part is true, but it does not follow from the first part at all. Although I am neither mod nor rocker (which proves the second part), it's not your silly motion analogy which shows this. Instead, much more simply, I am not on the mod team and do not currently rock.

    Thirdly, I'd like to be called Hrothgar the Rocker, He Who Mods, in a typical gesture of dramatic irony for which the Hrothgaro-Lapps are famous, as was most evident during the ironic failure to reach Warsaw during the invasion of Poland.

    NOSTALGIC EDIT: This takes me back to the days of false analogies.
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    06 Nov '06 14:04
    Originally posted by hopscotch
    When you wake up in the morning does your bed get out of you?
    No. From one useful point of view, I get off my bed, though. From another point of view, my bed falls out from under me.
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    09 Nov '06 14:45
    Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
    ...
    Do you [like me] think the site is becoming less popular because of the rubbish in the forums?
    ...
    I threw my toys out the pram (a.k.a. stopped my subscription) and went on a year sabbatical to see if RHP forums would improve, arguing to myself that Russ et al. would not change the forum moderation problems until there was a business case to do so. i.e. the money was negatively effected.
    Well it seems that either there is no business case (i.e. the forums do not negatively impact site subscriptions) or that business logic is being ignored (they do but nothing is done about it anyway), as nothing seems to have changed. Which is a shame.
    An enormous amount of gold stars to Phlab though, for still putting up with the job from hell after all this time. Get a life eh 😉
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    10 Nov '06 16:14
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    I'd do it for pay. Russ could probably afford my services...the rand is weak, the pound is strong.

    Yes, I am that desperate, but I am also serious.
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    10 Nov '06 16:28
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I'd do it for pay. Russ could probably afford my services...the rand is weak, the pound is strong.

    Yes, I am that desperate, but I am also serious.
    Go to England for a holiday. Then you wouldn't be so desparate, and you'd be less serious when you went back home...
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    I wish there was a section in the debate forum where if people wanted to actually discuss the matter at hand they could. Some members seem to enjoy popping in and going off on their own miserable little diatribes. I understand flexibility, but I am accustomed to boards were if a thread gets off topic mods will delete the posts and if necessary warn the people involved. I think that maybe it would help if Russ had a line between banning and nothing he could use. I've seen warning systems were each infraction resulted in a 10% warning that lasted for 3 months, reach 100% and you were banned. Some IM services have this to where people can warn fellow members. I think this might be a good way to help moderate people who step over the line accidentally without banning them completely.
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