Originally posted by padger
As most of the sand bagging is done by people with ratings below 1400 I suggest ,as I have said before ,that anyone who has a rating below 1400 should not get a reduction in their rating for resigning games
That would in my opinion and it is my opinion will stop it at a stroke
First of all, I consider all the complaints about sandbagging and resigning games to collect the clan challenge ppints to be nothing more than hysterical wing flapping by a few individuals.
Just a very few individuals.
We all know who they are !!
If we address the issues using proper analysis, we could easily find a solution for all the whiners that have been complaining about one clan in particular.
I thought that Russ would have seen through that before he rewrote this whole system.
I can present a set of solutions for all the issues out there.
Except for one.
The issue of collusion is a tougher nut to crack.
And I have said at the outset that no matter how much effort is put into an IT solution, there will always be a need for human intervention.
For example, forum bans.
And clan suspensions.
And other manual corrections elsewhere in the site that I don't know about.
Clan suspensions and clan points rollbacks both have a precedent.
It has been done before.
As to solutions to the issues at hand, perhaps we should summarize the problems.
We should not get into the validity of the issues even though some are baseless.
But this is a summary of what I have heard.
1 - problem with the scoring system. Meaning the way net points are awarded.
2 - perceived problems with player rating manipulation commonly called sandbagging.
3 - putting clan goals ahead of personal goals. In other words, players resigning clan games where the outcome has been decided.
4 - collusion amongst amongst several clans to generate points towards one clan.
That is what I see as the major issues.
I am not going into solution mode here but just summarizing the main issues.
Of course there are some secondary issues out there.
And it should be noted that I am not yet proposing any solutions yet.
But rather trying to frame the problem.
Some will inevitably ask why I am coming out with this now.
My answer is simple.
No one did this before !!
We collectively went about this all wrong.
And what happened was that Russ got overwhelmed by the white noise in the original thread.
And he then went into reaction mode.
I am not yet sure exactly how the clan rating method will identify a winner in a clan season.
And I don't want to judge it until I know exactly how it will work.
But I think we could have improved the scoring system without tossing it aside.
I will start a new thread with potential solutions to the scoring system as this thread is more of a problem statement.
I think we can keep the clan rating as a piece of information.
But not as a definitive metric of determining a champion.
The nearest thing I see in the sports world is in golf.
The PGA tour does have a world golf ranking that carries over from one year to the next.
But the FedEx Cup is the defining metric of declaring a champion.
Let's fix the net scoring system.