1. Standard memberDasa
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    101 Reasons to go Vegetarian
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    This is the definitive list of reasons to become vegetarian — everything from cruelty and health to ecology and world hunger.

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    1.Every year in the UK we feed our livestock enough food to feed 250,000,000 people while in the world 30,000,000 people die of starvation
    2.20 vegetarians can live off the land required by one meat eater
    3.Every 3 seconds a child dies of starvation somewhere in the world
    4.If Americans reduced their meat consumption by 10% it would free 12,000,000 tons of grain—enough to feed 60,000,000 people (the population of Great Britain)
    5.If all Americans became vegetarian, it would free enough grain to feed 600,000,000 people (the population of India)
    6.Intensification in animal farming has displaced 1,000,000's of people from their traditional lands—eg. indigenous people in south & central america, native americans in north america & crofters in Great Britain — this is continuing today
    7.People displaced from their lands into cities succumb to dietary deficiency, diseases, parasites & opportunistic diseases
    8.In third world countries 1 in 10 babies die before their first birthday
    9.The UK imports £46,000,000 worth of grain from third world countries to feed our livestock
    10.Due to overgrazing 850,000,000 people live on land threatened by desertification & over 230,000,000 already live on land so severely desertified that they are unable to sustain their existence & face imminent starvation
    11.1,000,000,000 people in the west gorging on meat & dairy leave 1,000,000,000 to waste away & 3,500,000,000 teeter on the brink


    LAND


    12.If they continue to clear American forests to raise cattle at the present rate, in 50 years there will be none left
    13.1 acre yields 165 lbs of beef or 20,000 lbs of potatoes
    14.8/10 of cultivated land in the UK is used to grow food for animals (14,732,000 hectares)
    15.It takes 16lbs of high protein soya to produce 1 lb of beef
    16.Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows, 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming
    17.Pressure on land due to meat farming leads to soil erosion 6billion tons/year in the USA
    18.If everyone went vegetarian upto 90% of land used for animal farming could be taken out of production & used to replant woodlands, leisure activities etc.
    19.25% of Central america's forests have been destroyed for cattle grazing since 1960
    20.Between 1966-1983 38% of the Amazon rain forest was destroyed for cattle grazing
    21.90% of cattle ranches established on cleared forest land go bankrupt in less than 8 years as the land becomes barren due to nutrient loss & overgrazing
    22.Overgrazing by cattle is destroying the land & increasing desertification, nearly 430 million acres in the USA alone has suffered a 25-50% reduction in yield since first grazed
    23.An inch of topsoil takes 200-1000 years to develop—yet in the USA they have lost around 1/3 of their prime topsoil in 200 years (around 7 inches) due to animal farming
    24.Land will be lost due to rises in sea level due to global warming due to animal farming


    AIR


    25.The destruction of the rainforest by cattle farmers is destroying the lungs of the planet & reducing the worlds capacity to replenish our oxygen supply
    26.The 1,300,000,000 cattle in the world emit 60,000,000 tons of methane per year (methane is a greenhouse gas & leads to global warming)
    27.Burning of forests, grasslands & agricultural waste associated with animal farming releases 50-100,000,000 tons of methane per year
    28.Combining these figures, 25% of methane emissions are due to animal farming (not including the billions of sheep, pigs & poultry so the real figure is much higher)
    29.Fertilizer used to grow crops to feed to animals releases nitrous oxide — thought to account for 6% of the greenhouse effect
    30.Fertilizer, weedkiller & pesticides sprayed on crops enter the atmosphere creating a noxious carcinogenic cocktail
    31.CFCs are released into the air from refrigeration units used to store decomposing flesh (meat), milk & butter—CFCs are destroy the ozone layer
    32.Ammonia from animal urine also pollutes the atmosphere
    33.CO2 is released by burning oil & petrol in lorries, ships, abattoirs, dairies, factories etc. associated with meat & dairy production
    34.Emissions from large chemical plants which produce fertilizer, weedkiller & other agricultural chemicals are also poisoning our air


    WATER


    35.25 gallons of water to produce 1lb of wheat & 2500 gallons to produce 1lb of meat
    36.UK farm animals produce 200,000,000 tonnes of slurry (liquid excrement) every year, the majority of which ends up in our rivers
    37.Bloody waste water from abattoirs ends up in our rivers
    38.In the USA every second humans produce 12,000 lbs of effluent while farmed animals produce 250,000 lbs
    39.Nitrates & pesticides used on crops grown to feed livestock end up in our rivers
    40.Meat & dairy farming uses 70 litres of water per day per animal in the UK or 159,250,000,000 litres per year in total
    41.The water used to produce 10 lbs of steak is equivalent to the average consumption of water for an entire household for an entire year
    42.Depletion of groundwater reserves to grow crops for animals & to supply abattoirs will lead to greater water shortages
    43.Aquafers (stores of underground water) in the San Joaquin valley in the USA are being drained at the rate of 500,000,000,000 gallons/year to produce meat
    44.18% of all agricultural land in the world is irrigated & as global warming increases (partly due to animal farming) it will cost $200,000,000 to keep these systems going
    45.The water used to produce a 1000 lb beef steer is enough to float a Destroyer battleship
    46.The liquid waste from the various parts of the meat & dairy industry flow into the rivers & from there into the seas polluting them & encouraging huge algal blooms to grow


    EFFICIENCY


    47.To produce 1calorie of energy from meat takes 60 calories of petrol, whereas growing grains & legumes to directly feed people produces 20 calories for each calorie of fuel used ( thats 1200 times more efficient)
    48.Meat & dairy farming uses billions of gallons of oil to run tractors, fuel ships & lorries (to move animal feed & animals), pump billions of gallons of water to irrigate fields & run slaughterhouses, power refrigeration units to prevent the corpses from decomposing & to power sewage plants to clean up some of the pollution produced
    49.Cattle convert only 6% of their energy intake (mainly grains & soya) into flesh, the remaining 94% is wasted as heat, movement (which is why they keep many animals in very close confinement), hair, bones, faeces etc
    50.1lb of beef takes 1 gallon of petrol to produce
    51.A family of four eating beef for a year uses enough petrol to run a car for 6 months (obviously depending on how far you drive!)
    52.If the full ecological cost of meat was passed onto the consumer—the price would be quadrupled (at least)
    53.The EC spends o100,000,000's to subsidise animal production resulting in lakes of unwanted milk & mountains of unwanted meat & butter. This money could be better spent encouraging organic fruit, vegetable & grain production
    54.In the USA in 1979 145,000,000 tons of crops were fed to cattle resulting in only 21million tons of animal bodies—the cost of the wasted crops was $20,000,000,000
    55.Between 1950 & 1985 grain production in Europe & the USA increased massively but 2/3 was fed to animals
    56.70% of all grain is fed to animals
    57.Eating vast quantities of animal flesh, eggs, milk & butter is a luxury that most of the planet can not afford


    ANIMALS


    58.Fishing with drift (and other modern) nets weakens & destroys ecosystems by indiscriminately killing billions of sea creatures & disrupting the sea bed
    59.Fishermen's nets kill 10 times as many other animals as the fish they are hoping to catch
    60.Fish caught in nets die an agonising slow death of suffocation
    61.Each year 15,000,000,000 land animals are slaughtered for food & an unknown but much larger number of sea creatures (including 1000's of dolphins caught accidentally)
    62.Chickens are crammed into battery cages with upto 3 other birds, they are unable to even spread their wings & many can not even stand up
    63.Unwanted male chicks (because they can't lay eggs) are gassed or pulped while their sisters go to the battery sheds
    64.Chicks are debeaked without anaesthetic to prevent them injuring each other in the unnaturally confined conditions they are kept in—this is equivalent to having your fingernails pulled out without anaesthetic
    65.Modern farming methods using growth hormones & artificial lighting mean that many chickens out grow their bones, resulting in fractured & broken legs
    66.Sows are kept tethered in stalls 1.3 x 1 metre on concrete or slatted floors—they can not even turn around
    67.Poultry raised for meat are kept in windowless broiler sheds, with around 20-30,000 in each shed, they live in an area of 10-20 cm square—fighting due to overcrowding is common & like battery hens they commonly suffer from supperating bed sores
    68.Broilersheds are artificially lit 23 hours a day to produce rapid growth
    69.Animals travel between farms & to slaughter in overcrowded transporters with no food or water—resulting in stress, injuries & deaths—legal requirements are widely ignored
    70.95% of poultry suffer injuries before being killed & 30% suffer broken bones
    71.Problems with stunning practices mean that many animals have their throats slit while still conscious (around 6% of cattle or 200,000 per year) & are then dipped in tanks of scalding water (to loosen feathers, bristles etc.) again while fully conscious
    72.4000 animals die spurting their blood out every minute in a British slaughterhouse
    73.Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
    7...
  2. Standard memberDeepThought
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    06 Nov '15 07:32
    Originally posted by Dasa
    101 Reasons to go Vegetarian
    No Copyright and anonymous author
    This is the definitive list of reasons to become vegetarian — everything from cruelty and health to ecology and world hunger.

    PEOPLE

    1.Every year in the UK we feed our livestock enough food to feed 250,000,000 people while in the world 30,000,000 people die of starvation
    2.20 vegetarians ...[text shortened]... in a British slaughterhouse
    73.Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
    7...
    You seem to have stalled at point 74.
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    06 Nov '15 08:14
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    You seem to have stalled at point 74.
    Perhaps he had a sudden epiphany and went off to make himself a bacon sandwich.

    (*As a vegetarian myself, i can get away with such a comment).
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    06 Nov '15 10:38
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Perhaps he had a sudden epiphany and went off to make himself a bacon sandwich.

    (*As a vegetarian myself, i can get away with such a comment).
    canabalism!😞
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    06 Nov '15 11:241 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    101 Reasons to go Vegetarian
    No Copyright and anonymous author
    This is the definitive list of reasons to become vegetarian — everything from cruelty and health to ecology and world hunger.

    PEOPLE

    1.Every year in the UK we feed our livestock enough food to feed 250,000,000 people while in the world 30,000,000 people die of starvation
    2.20 vegetarians ...[text shortened]... in a British slaughterhouse
    73.Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
    7...
    One reason to eat meat:

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV)
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    06 Nov '15 14:26
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Perhaps he had a sudden epiphany and went off to make himself a bacon sandwich.

    (*As a vegetarian myself, i can get away with such a comment).
    You and Dasa eat what food eats....πŸ˜€
  7. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    06 Nov '15 15:172 edits
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    You and Dasa eat what food eats....πŸ˜€
    πŸ™‚ Dasa wouldn't count me as a vegetarian though as i do eat fish. (Hey, my wife is Japanese, how can i not eat fish?)

    'A British aquarium claims to have the world's first vegetarian shark. (Either that or they're playing a really good prank on Nigel the tank cleaner' ).
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    07 Nov '15 07:07
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    You seem to have stalled at point 74.
    http://www.celestialhealing.net/vegetarian/101_reasons_vegetarian.htm

    As usual Dasa lets others think for him.
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    70. 95% of poultry suffer injuries before being killed & 30% suffer broken bones.


    71. Problems with stunning practices mean that many animals have their throats slit while still conscious (around 6% of cattle or 200,000 per year) & are then dipped in tanks of scalding water (to loosen feathers, bristles etc.) again while fully conscious.


    72. 4000 animals die spurting their blood out every minute in a British slaughterhouse.


    73. Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old.


    74. Cows were fed on the ground up remains of other cows & sheep—the result is thought to be BSE (mad cow disease) in the USA cattle are fed partly on recycled plastic pellets.


    75. Cows only give milk for 10 months after they have a calf—so they are routinely artificially inseminated (ie. mechanically raped) to keep them pregnant & milking—their calves are taken away (usually at 12 hours old) for meat or export to veal crates.


    76. Cows would naturally live upto 20 years but are slaughtered after 5-7 years when their milk production begins to fall.


    77. In the UK animals are killed by first being stunned with electricity or a captive bolt gun (ie. a bolt is fired into their heads) before having their throats slit & being plunged into boiling water—all this happens on a production line with the animals being hung upside down from a moving conveyor belt—this is factory farming.


    78. "Animals are those unfortunate slaves & victims of the most brutal part of mankind"—John Stewart Mill (philosopher).


    79. Veal calves are confined in stalls in the dark, unable to move & are fed on pigs blood, chocolate & dried milk (we are drinking the rich fresh milk of their mothers).


    80. Cows naturally produce 5 litres of milk per day for their calves—under the intensified systems of modern farming they produce 25-40 litres per day — resulting in swollen & inflamed udders—at this rate they are soon worn out.


    81. Large areas of land are under monoculture to grow crops to feed to animals—these areas are wildlife deserts supporting fewer & fewer species.



    HEALTH



    82. Vegetarians have a 20% lower rate of mortality from all causes (ie. they live longer & don't get sick as often).


    83. Meat is full of traces of antibiotics, hormones, toxins produced by stress & pesticide residues that become concentrated from all the crops they have eaten.


    84. Fish contain heavy metals & other pollutants -many of which originated on farms.


    85. The world health organisation recommends a diet low in saturated fat, sugar, salt & with plenty of fibre—exactly what you get on a vegan/vegetarian diet.


    86. Farmed animals contain upto 50% saturated fat in their bodies.


    87. Vegetarians have 24% reduced risk of getting heart disease & Vegans a 57% reduction (heart disease is the biggest killer in the UK accounting for 50% of deaths).


    88. Obesity is rare in vegetarians, obesity is related to many diseases.


    89. Vegans & vegetarians have lower blood pressure & cholesterol levels—high levels are associated with heart disease, strokes & kidney failure.


    90. Vegetarians have a 50% reduced risk of dying of diabetes.


    91. Vegetarians have a 40% reduced level of cancer than the general population thought to be because they have a higher intake of vitamins A,C & E.


    92. Vegetarians have a reduced risk of developing gall & kidney stones.


    93. 80% of food poisoning is due to infected meat (faeces, bacteria etc.) after all meat is decomposing flesh—most of the rest is due to salmonella in eggs.


    94. Osteoporosis due to calcium loss from bones is mainly due to the sulphur content in meat & casein protein in milk that cause calcium to be lost in the urine—the countries with the highest meat & dairy consumption are those with the highest levels of brittle bones.


    95. 50% of people do not have the enzyme to digest milk properly & milk allergy is related to asthma & eczema.


    96. Meat eaters have double the rate of Alzheimers disease as Vegans & Vegetarians—some people also think that Parkinsons disease is also linked to meat eating.


    97. Egg yolk is a dense concentration of saturated fat & the white is high in albumin protein associated with leaching calcium into your urine. Butter is 80% saturated fat, cream is 40% saturated fat & cheese is 25-40% saturated fat.


    98. Meat eaters are two and a half times more likely to get bowel cancer than Vegetarians.


    99. The cling film used to wrap meat in supermarkets & butchers contains chemicals linked to falling sperm counts in men.


    100. Chinese people (living mainly on a vegetarian diet) consume 20% more calories than Americans but Americans are 20% fatter.


    101. Of 2,100,000 deaths in the USA in 1987, 1,500,000 were related to diet (ie. meat & dairy).



    AND I COULD GO ON !



    If you've read this far, I hope that you are beginning to see that the Meat & Dairy industry is a major contributor to misery on this planet. It is destroying the health of people in rich countries, starving those in poor countries, it is torturing & killing billions of animals every year and in the meantime it is one of the major factors in the destruction of the environment—so what does the meat & dairy industry have to say in it's defence? Well their only real point is usually "Meat is tasty"—fair enough a lot of people enjoy the taste of meat—but there are plenty of delicious alternatives (just consider the huge range of vegetarian dishes in Indian cooking—one of the oldest & most sophisticated cuisines in the world) and if you really crave meat & dairy, nowadays there are plenty of healthy non animal alternatives—just look in the supermarket & health food shop. So I hope you will agree it's pretty pathetic to consider all the evidence & then say "well I know you're right about the environment & health & the animals — but I just love my meat."


    - See more at: http://food.iskcondesiretree.com/101-reasons-to-go-vegetarian/7393#sthash.qFQED2WC.dpuf
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    09 Nov '15 00:55
    Originally posted by Dasa
    70. 95% of poultry suffer injuries before being killed & 30% suffer broken bones.


    71. Problems with stunning practices mean that many animals have their throats slit while still conscious (around 6% of cattle or 200,000 per year) & are then dipped in tanks of scalding water (to loosen feathers, bristles etc.) again while fully conscious.


    72. 4000 ...[text shortened]... more at: http://food.iskcondesiretree.com/101-reasons-to-go-vegetarian/7393#sthash.qFQED2WC.dpuf
    Uh... I like to eat Bambi...lean, natural, no preservatives, tasty.
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    09 Nov '15 15:511 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    101 Reasons to go Vegetarian
    No Copyright and anonymous author
    This is the definitive list of reasons to become vegetarian — everything from cruelty and health to ecology and world hunger.

    PEOPLE

    1.Every year in the UK we feed our livestock enough food to feed 250,000,000 people while in the world 30,000,000 people die of starvation
    2.20 vegetarians ...[text shortened]... in a British slaughterhouse
    73.Calf leather comes from animals killed at just 2 weeks old
    7...
    Sorry, I need at least 102 reasons or it is a no go.

    Try again.
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    09 Nov '15 18:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    Sorry, I need at least 102 reasons or it is a no go.

    Try again.
    102 - Vegetarians are better in bed.
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    09 Nov '15 19:01
    If God didn't want us to eat meat, why did He make animals taste so good?
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    09 Nov '15 21:15
    As Christians we follow the principle at
    (Romans 14:2-4) One man has faith to eat everything, but the man who is weak eats only vegetables. 3β€―Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed him. 4β€―Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.
    You may see value in not eating meat. That's your choice.
    As individuals we can also accept what God said at
    (Genesis 9:3) Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you.
    So, it's personal choice.
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    09 Nov '15 22:111 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    One reason to eat meat:

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with ...[text shortened]... hanksgiving:
    For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV)[/b]
    The way I read your quotation it is referring to a prohibition of meat on the basis of ritual uncleanness ("For every creature of God is good...".) rather than a prohibition on the basis that eating it is cruel to the animal. So I think you'll have difficulties attempting to defend a religious imperative to eat meat within Christianity.
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