22 Apr 12
Originally posted by 667joethere are major flaws in your logic. If I believe in one, I don't neccessarily have to disbelieve the others. The athiest thinks all are wrong, yet cannot verify that finding, which is in itself a leap of faith. Time for you to go back to the drawing board, rethink the premis and try again.
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by 667joeDoes this not include sects?
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
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22 Apr 12
Originally posted by 667joeOne slight quibble/correction.
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
While an atheist might well think that all 313 are wrong, the requirement for being an atheist is simply to think that all
313 are unproven.
22 Apr 12
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Originally posted by 667joeNot if one can prove they do by the Bible and the Bible only.
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
Only 1 could have the truth as all can't be right.
Matthew 7:13-14
The Message (MSG)
13-14"Don't look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don't fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires TOTAL attention.
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Originally posted by 667joeWhat is the proper number of total beliefs that should exist so as to be likely there is truth ?
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
64?
202?
36?
112?
2?
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22 Apr 12
Originally posted by jaywillThere can be but one truth (or set of truth) about the reality we live in.
What is the proper number of total beliefs that should exist so as to be likely there is truth ?
Out of the infinite possible options for what that truth might be the only way of telling is
by testing ideas against reality to see which stand up to scrutiny and which don't.
No religion does this.
But science does.
Science is the only known way of objectively testing and verifying which ideas closest match
the reality we live in and thus the only path to discovering the truth about the reality we live
in.
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by 667joejoe,
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
What is the proper number of total beliefs that should exist so as to be likely there is truth ?
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22 Apr 12
Originally posted by jaywillTrust me.
joe,
What is the proper number of total beliefs that should exist so as to be likely there is truth ?
He's going to think your question just as stupid as I do.
There is no magic proper number of beliefs that should exist.
What he was pointing out in the op is that in the USA alone there are at least 313 different
religions pretty much all of which claim to be the one truth and that all the others are wrong
and none of which have any evidence for their claims.
Which means that even if by sheer blind luck one happened to be correct you have a 1 in 313
chance of picking the right one.
But of course there is no reason to suppose that any are correct as none have any supporting evidence
and new ones appear all the time increasing that number (although some also die out occasionally).
Given the context and meaning of the OP your question is nonsensical.
He did not imply or suggest that there is any 'correct' number of beliefs that would mean that one or
all are truth.
Because whatever number of beliefs are posited you could always take a different set of the same number
out of the infinite set of all possible beliefs.
22 Apr 12
Originally posted by 667joeHow many of those 313 are based upon the Bible Joe?
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
22 Apr 12
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Originally posted by galveston75Wow.
Not if one can prove they do by the Bible and the Bible only.
Only 1 could have the truth as all can't be right.
Matthew 7:13-14
The Message (MSG)
13-14"Don't look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don't fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires TOTAL attention.
Just... wow.
This is just SO "dumbed down" from the KJV.
Today's kids don't learn to read. Today's editors just put everything in one-syllable words even the dumb ones can understand. Pathetic.
Somewhere along this narrow road, the message gets so sidetracked as to be totally lost.
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Originally posted by 667joeRight...
There are at least 313 religions in the US. If you believe in one of them, then you think the other 312 are wrong. An atheist thinks all 313 are wrong. "Who is more likely to be correct? If you still think only yours is correct don't you think you are rather presumptuous?
How many of these 313 are under the vague umbrella of Christianity?
How many are under the vague umbrella of Islam?
How many are under the vague umbrella of Buddhism?
How many are under the vague umbrella of Hinduism?
You see where I'm going with this, I'm sure.
There may be 313 *denominations*, not 313 *religions*.
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Originally posted by 667joeToo bad you can't ask Christopher Hitchens if the 10,000 some journalists over the last 20 years are all wrong too.
According to one encyclopedia, there are roughly 10,000 extant religions in the world today. As Christopher Hitchens says, since they can't all be right, it's more likely they are all wrong!