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    If we were made via intelligent design, how come the majority of people need 3rd molars removed?
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    20 Apr '11 23:05
    Originally posted by 667joe
    If we were made via intelligent design, how come the majority of people need 3rd molars removed?
    Work in progress?
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    20 Apr '11 23:23
    Originally posted by 667joe
    If we were made via intelligent design, how come the majority of people need 3rd molars removed?
    Do we have any Dentist here that can answer this?
    I have mine, but my wife had two removed because they
    had become abscessed. So maybe that is the answer.
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    20 Apr '11 23:45
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Do we have any Dentist here that can answer this?
    I have mine, but my wife had two removed because they
    had become abscessed. So maybe that is the answer.
    I naturally thought that you would consult wikipedia for an answer.
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    21 Apr '11 00:14
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    I naturally thought that you would consult wikipedia for an answer.
    I forgot about that. Does wikipedia give the answer?
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    21 Apr '11 00:18
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    I naturally thought that you would consult wikipedia for an answer.
    Here is a link that gives the answer.

    http://www.calweb.com/~goldman/third_molars.html
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    21 Apr '11 00:18
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    I naturally thought that you would consult wikipedia for an answer.
    Here is a link that gives the answer.

    http://www.calweb.com/~goldman/third_molars.html
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    21 Apr '11 00:22
    Originally posted by 667joe
    If we were made via intelligent design, how come the majority of people need 3rd molars removed?
    One of the many square wheels in the intelligent engineering handbooks.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Here is a link that gives the answer.

    http://www.calweb.com/~goldman/third_molars.html
    It doesn't give a reason as to why your God "intelligently designed" them in the first place
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    21 Apr '11 00:28
    The other thing is that we have poor diets. Some teeth will be lost even with a healthy diet,(because all physical systems break down), but I assume most dental problems are accosiated with the high sugar content of modern western diets.
  11. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    21 Apr '11 00:30
    Originally posted by 667joe
    If we were made via intelligent design, how come the majority of people need 3rd molars removed?
    P'haps "intelligent design" isn't perfect. I think some christians imply that "Gods" work is perfect, but it may well just be good intstead of necessarily perfect.
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    P'haps "intelligent design" isn't perfect. I think some christians imply that "Gods" work is perfect, but it may well just be good intstead of necessarily perfect.
    But are they even a 'good idea' (as opposed to perfect or optimal)? It seems to me, in a design sense, as good an idea as packing a bridge with dynamite with the assumption it will never detonate.

    I've got a couple of menacing looking wisdom teeth having a mosey around my mouth right now - and if they elect to get a better view, the little bastids are going to bully my entire bottom row! one of the x-rays looks like:

    good tooth
    ````````````wisdom
    `___``.___```tooth
    /````-`.``.\```_
    \``````.`.`/`./
    .| `````.`.|``\
    .|````````|._/
    `\``./\```//
    `.|..|`|``|.\
    ``\_/`.\_/```
    ````````````````


    🙁
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    Just to address this point seriously, I think I will just point out that 667joe has misrepresented what theists generally mean if they talk about intelligent design. Intelligent design does not entail that every part of a creature has been designed for maximal utility. It may turn out that aliquo mutato, man would function better (i.e. if he had third molars.) Intelligent design as a scientific hypothesis simply claims that some stages of evolution are not explicable in purely materialistic theory, that is, some biological features are 'functionally complex'. Perhaps God could have made man better but this isn't really the point of intelligent design (and, anyway, Christianity which affirms that death occurred as a result of sin, isn't committed to the idea that man must be perfect; perfection was taken away as a result of sin.)
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    21 Apr '11 00:56
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    P'haps "intelligent design" isn't perfect. I think some christians imply that "Gods" work is perfect, but it may well just be good intstead of necessarily perfect.
    God made them perfect all right, its that we disobeyed God and did
    not keep them perfect. Why do you blame God for something you did?
    Do your part and go to the dentist and take your kids often. That
    will help a little, even though, we have already done the damage.
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    Originally posted by Conrau K
    Just to address this point seriously, I think I will just point out that 667joe has misrepresented what theists generally mean if they talk about intelligent design. Intelligent design does not entail that every part of a creature has been designed for maximal utility. It may turn out that aliquo mutato, man would function better (i.e. if he had thir mmitted to the idea that man must be perfect; perfection was taken away as a result of sin.)
    and, anyway, Christianity which affirms that death occurred as a result of sin, isn't committed to the idea that man must be perfect; perfection was taken away as a result of sin
    I might be mistaken here but don't they affirm that we fail to be perfect in a moralistic sense as opposed to a mechanical sense? Moreover may of the theists that I converse with on these boards will not even acknowledge that any component of God's designs could be sub-optimal (or that it's characteristics could be sub-perfect)


    sorry, couldn't parse the meaning, even in context, behind aliquo mutato, specifically the "aliquo" part (I can guess mutato is mutation or change)...neither google translate or search are any use
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