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Originally posted by Conrau KJehovah is a reader of hearts and will notice all that are honest in their wanting to worship him "truthfully".
[b]No it's impossible to understand the scriptures without Jehovah's help.
Interesting. Then what about all those who have never encountered a JW and those who lived before the JWs existed. Poor guys, I guess God just abandoned them.
And no need to read the scriptures in Greek as it has been very cleary translated into english for us.
...[text shortened]... t if you need to involve erroneous philological analyses of words like gignoskein and pistein.[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75Ah, so the honest man could be a Christian? Robbie said that it would be absolutely impossible even if the person were separate from the corrupt apostate churches of his day to come to any understanding of the Scriptures without the aid of a JW. Do you disagree with Robbie on this point?
Jehovah is a reader of hearts and will notice all that are honest in their wanting to worship him "truthfully".
Originally posted by Conrau KI will do neither as I don't exactly know what Robbie said.
Ah, so the honest man could be a Christian? Robbie said that it would be absolutely impossible even if the person were separate from the corrupt apostate churches of his day to come to any understanding of the Scriptures without the aid of a JW. Do you disagree with Robbie on this point?
I knew there would not be a YES or NO because you both evade the question and this is why. If you say yes then you claim exclusivity for the JW organization only. If you say no then you acknowledge other groups or sects of Christianity can also share in the truth.
PS: I will read through later but really this thread should be closed LOL 🙂
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71Now that's not fair Manny. I don't even no where the posting is that Robbie said what a third party is saying he said. Would you want someone to misquote you? I think not.....
I knew there would not be a YES or NO because you both evade the question and this is why. If you say yes then you claim exclusivity for the JW organization only. If you say no then you acknowledge other groups or sects of Christianity can also share in the truth.
PS: I will read through later but really this thread should be closed LOL 🙂
Manny
I wish all you guys would grow up!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by galveston75I think Yes within reason I have a correct understanding of Christ and Christianity and that if you believed the same you also would there you have it my friend. Now I will elaborate on this more I still think Christianity does come in different shades and colors. I may be on the outside of orthodoxy here but I think God is the one who see the hearts and minds and intent of men therefore he ultimately is the judge. I believe that there will be people from every group or sect that will stand before God saved.
I believe you've done this before or if not you, it has been done by someone. If you don't want explinations which is the only way to answer a question fairly, I'm not going there. Would it be fair to ask you Manny if your belief was the correct belief and it would insure my salvation if I believed exactly like you and I just want a Yes or No answer?
Not so fair when the question is forced on you is it?
PS: The claim of the JW's to be the only way to God is a lie plain and simple.
Manny
Originally posted by Conrau KIndeed simple it should be.
One really has to wonder Galvo and Robbie are so adverse to answering a simple question. It really is a simple case of yes or no. Are JWs necessarily the only Christians? Does one need to be a JW to be Christian? Could an Anglican or Baptist be called Christian? In short, does following Christ require membership in the JW organisation? They are all the same question essentially.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo then your answer is YES ok That's all I wanted to know
i believe that not only did i answer the question, but that i provided reason as well,
not of course that you are interested in reason, but we are, therefore it seemed
reasonable to include it. I will state it again, we are the only organisation actively
engaged in preaching and teaching the Good News of Gods Kingdom, in obedience
to the com ...[text shortened]... of Jehovah* are the ones that will be
saved'.
* Literally, those that are evangelising
Manny
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's not that simple though because you and G-75 are always on this site trying to shove your religion down everyones throat your no better than anyone else here for it. You have to expect a fight or bow out and stop posting which I don't think you guys will.
no, for that is between them and the Christ, we were asked not to comment upon the
worship of others, which is their business, but on ours, that is whether we thought one
needed to be part of Jehovahs Witness organisation in order to be termed a Christian, to
which we replied in the affirmative. If another thinks their worship authentic, then
that's their business, they need not subscribe to our point of view nor we theirs.
Thanks though for now I know the truth from your own words that in order to be a Christian according to the JW's you have to be part of that organization fair enough.
That means every other part of Christendom is apostate by your organizations words.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou always seem to be critical of independent Christians like divegeester. I was just making the observation that you sit at the extreme opposite end of the Christian spectrum.
lucky you, i got to go to sainsburys, for , arrrgh, shopping, help me!
Your doctrine has been decided by your organisations Governing Body over the years, you have had no say in this whatsoever. You just follow. Your organistation tries to discourage members from thinking for themselves when it comes to doctrine -
"Since oneness is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding."
"Make Your Advancement Manifest", The Watchtower, August 1, 2001, page 14.
The orders are given and the flock bleets.
Originally posted by Proper KnobGlad to see you are at least reading the watchtower magazine. Paul also counselled on thinking in unity, in fact, its a beautiful thing in our eyes,
You always seem to be critical of independent Christians like divegeester. I was just making the observation that you sit at the extreme opposite end of the Christian spectrum.
Your doctrine has been decided by your organisations Governing Body over the years, you have had no say in this whatsoever. You just follow. Your organistation tries to discour ...[text shortened]... i]The Watchtower[/i], August 1, 2001, page 14.
The orders are given and the flock bleets.
(1 Corinthians 1:10) . . .Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
what have you to say to that dear Noobster?
Originally posted by menace71But here your not giving a 1 word yes or no answer as your adding an explination with it. Not so easy is it?
I think Yes within reason I have a correct understanding of Christ and Christianity and that if you believed the same you also would there you have it my friend. Now I will elaborate on this more I still think Christianity does come in different shades and colors. I may be on the outside of orthodoxy here but I think God is the one who see the hearts and mi ...[text shortened]... d.
PS: The claim of the JW's to be the only way to God is a lie plain and simple.
Manny
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-Removed-This is my last comment to you on this subject period as you just don't seem to get it.
The Bible is very clear on what God expects from every human on this planet. Now it's up to all of us what we do with this info and how we let if affect our minds and hearts.
It's in our hearts as JW's that we've believe we are doing what God and his son are asking of us especially in the time period we are living in. The Bible tells us not to brag and boast of this and just sit back and condemn others but to share what we've learned with all that are interested.
So YES I believe in my heart we are the only ones that are honestly doing what the Bible says we should "all" be doing.
But I also know from Bible examples that God is the reader of every persons hearts on this planet and not one human on this planet is a judge of hearts of any man.
So all me and Robbie can express is what we see in the Bible and knowing from past history in the Bible that God is very exact in what he wants and has made it clear that most will not make it thru that "narrow gate" to life.
So until you or anyone else here can prove with the Bible that what we're doing is wrong we believe that what we are doing is what God and his son are asking of us and the invitaion to join and help us out in the work we were told to do is always open to all.
This is it and if it doesn't make sense to you then there is nothing else I can say to you. So my suggestion for all of you is to lay off and lets discuss Bible subjects that will help us all learn about God and our future as humans instead of this silly immature bickering!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI thought, according to you, a Christian was someone who followed the teachings of Christ?! What has Paul got to do with any of this?
Glad to see you are at least reading the watchtower magazine. Paul also counselled on thinking in unity, in fact, its a beautiful thing in our eyes,
(1 Corinthians 1:10) . . .Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you ...[text shortened]... in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
what have you to say to that dear Noobster?