Originally posted by robbie carrobieGrace is certainly not a Protestant idea, or at least, not exclusively. It is quite a central concept in Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Basically, grace is the activity of God in the person, whether granting the gift of faith, the virtues of hope and love, or the natural virtues such as fortitude or prudence. Basically, it is God's sanctification and spiritual adoption of the person. Predestination is a particular way of thinking about grace. This doctrine contends that grace is irresistible. Grace overpowers the human will. Consequently, all sinners condemned to hell must never have received grace. God, for whatever reason, predestines by his grace some to be saved, others to fall. Obviously Catholics and most normal Christian churches reject the doctrine of predestination.
you need to state clearly what you mean by grace, as its a term that we neither use
nor i suspect believe. It seems to be to be Calvinistic in origin and i have encountered
it among various protestant sects from the Scottish islands, namely the free church of
Scotland in describing predestination.
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Originally posted by Conrau Kit seems to me to be akin to our belief in the operation of Gods Holy spirit, which must
Grace is certainly not a Protestant idea, or at least, not exclusively. It is quite a central concept in Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Basically, grace is the activity of God in the person, whether granting the gift of faith, the virtues of hope and love, or the natural virtues such as fortitude or prudence. Basically, it is God's sanctification and spiritual ...[text shortened]... . Obviously Catholics and most normal Christian churches reject the doctrine of predestination.
be at work in a believer to produce Christian fruitage, that is Christian qualities, love,
joy, peace, kindness, goodness, mildness and faith etc, perhaps the difference is we
also state that one can grieve Holy spirit and that God may withdraw Holy spirit from
those who are deemed to be actively engaged against its outworking. Would you say
that this is similar idea?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI shall tell later. I'm off out for lunch.
I have a say on how I apply them and to what extent they are applicable, based on my
conscience. As we are all Jehovahs witnesses, you asked who decides doctrinal
matters, i told you, Jehovahs witnesses do. I myself personally have not decided any
doctrine, they were all decided before i became a witness, all that has transpired in my
time is refinements to what we understood already. Why do you ask?
