@ sumydid

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
what's a secular progressive liberal?

FMF.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
what's a secular progressive liberal?

The opposite of a conservative, religious extremist.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
FMF.

I am not a conservative, religious extremist, see.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not a conservative, religious extremist, see.

Well that remains to be determined.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Well that remains to be determined.

There aren't any 'court papers' to read for yourself in this case, robbie.

Originally posted by FMF
There aren't any 'court papers' to read for yourself in this case, robbie.

No but there is a posting history. You seem to me to fiendishly resist all attempts to
inculcate the idea of moral absolutes, resisting a change in your stance at every
opportunity, making you conservative in this regard and you have extremely liberal
views on all manner of issues, from abortion to so called gay rights, self evidently
making you an extremist, albeit, a liberal one. Are you denying that this is the case. 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No but there is a posting history. You seem to me to fiendishly resist all attempts to
inculcate the idea of moral absolutes, resisting a change in your stance at every
opportunity, making you conservative in this regard and you have extremely liberal
views on all manner of issues, from abortion to so called gay rights, self evidently
making you an extremist, albeit, a liberal one. Are you denying that this is the case. 😛

Well you are welcome to look upon me as an "extremist" if you want. But for you to argue that I am "conservative" or "religious" is going to require you to use some sort of tortured 'private' unconventional definitions of words for you to make the case.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
As i am someone who would fit your description for a 'Secular Progressive Liberal', tell me about my 'hatred, credibility and insecurity'.

Well since you've staked claim to being part of the group, then I'll list a few things that your group does consistently. Then, you can either separate yourself from the group and condemn those actions, or, embrace their actions and confirm yourself as one of them.

The Secular Liberal Progressives, in the United States, have shown a consistent pattern of

- hatred for traditional family values
- disgust, if not full-blown hatred for all things and all people, Christian
- complete disagreement with anything a Conservative politician has to say
- complete agreement with anything a Liberal politician has to say
- a strong attraction toward Socialism, Marxism, Communism, and/or Statism
- a strong dislike for Capitalism and Free Enterprise
- disdain and lack of respect for traditional American values and the Constitution
- convenient alliances with Feminists, gay rights advocates, labor unions, college professors and teachers, Hollywood, abortion rights activists, and other special interest groups
- (edit: possibly feigned) support, sympathy, and/or compassion for all Muslims, including fanatics

It's the 2nd and last items that--as you are aware--I was considering when I mentioned credibility and insecurity. Secular Progressives--as an activist group--seek to remove Christianity from the public square, while at the same time seek to incorporate Islam into the public square. This makes absolutely no sense, considering that Islam is infintely more hostile and aggressive than Christianity, toward the interest of Secular Progressives. However, I have concluded that the reason for their support for Islam and disgust/hatred toward Christianity is because they see no harm in supporting something they think is silly and impossible; they align themselves in support of Islam as a matter of "enemy of my enemy is my friend" convenience; while Christianity has at least some semblance of credibility, thus exposing a vulnerability. The best solution is to remove Christianity from the public square so they don't have to hear it or think about it (lest they start to take it serious and we can't have that!)... while Islam in their minds, can preach on the street corner all it wants because it's no different than someone preaching faith in Santa or the tooth fairy, i.e. harmless and silly. Easy to tune out.

Now if none of the patterned behaviors I described match you, then my first thought is, you're not a Secular Progressive; my second thought would be maybe you just don't want to admit having many common traits; and my third thought would be perhaps you are a rare individual who doesn't fit the mold.

There are those individuals in all groups, that don't conform, and I'm willing to concede the possibility, however small, that an individual can proclaim himself to be a Secular Progressive, yet not match the standard criteria.

So if you are that rare find, then I think that's great and I tip my hat to you.

That's my answer, although I could have just tossed several dozen web links at you, all of which come to the same conclusions since the pattern has been well known for a very long time.

Originally posted by sumydid
Well since you've staked claim to being part of the group, then I'll list a few things that your group does consistently. Then, you can either separate yourself from the group and condemn those actions, or, embrace their actions and confirm yourself as one of them.

The Secular Liberal Progressives, in the United States, have shown a consistent pattern of ...[text shortened]... to the same conclusions since the pattern has been well known for a very long time.

quote:

The Secular Liberal Progressives, in the United States, have shown a consistent pattern of

- hatred for traditional family values
- disgust, if not full-blown hatred for all things and all people, Christian
- complete disagreement with anything a Conservative politician has to say
- complete agreement with anything a Liberal politician has to say
- a strong attraction toward Socialism, Marxism, Communism, and/or Statism
- a strong dislike for Capitalism and Free Enterprise
- convenient alliances with Feminists, gay rights advocates, labor unions, college professors and teachers, Hollywood, abortion rights activists
- support, sympathy, and compassion for all Muslims, including fanatics

unquote.

Wow. All three of them?

Originally posted by sumydid
Well since you've staked claim to being part of the group, then I'll list a few things that your group does consistently. Then, you can either separate yourself from the group and condemn those actions, or, embrace their actions and confirm yourself as one of them.

The Secular Liberal Progressives, in the United States, have shown a consistent pattern of ...[text shortened]... the same conclusions since the pattern has been well known for a very long time.

wow, in that case, I am not a religious fundamentalist at all, but a free thinking
progressive secular liberal, simply because i contend that capitalism is built upon
exploitation and is a thoroughly unstable and corruptible entity, which has fomented a
spirit of materialism contrary to the teaching of the Christ and to the detriment of
spiritual values. You hear that PK and FMF, I am not a religious fundamentalist at all,
but a free thinking progressive secular liberal, praise da lord!