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Originally posted by karoly aczelA start to what?
non compulsary voting is a start
And what has that got to do with providing something to back up your claim that the largest group (of voters) are those who don't care?
Edit: I agree that there has been an ambivalence about politics in recent decades but that disappeared in June with the Brexit vote. Like all of us, most of us, I am passionate about democracy and so happy to see it shifting the tectonic plates of the political establishment.
I'm also not positive about Trump, but I'm certainly not as negative as some. The wave of doomism sometimes laced with more hatred than the Trump himself is astonishing. Same with Brexit - it's a trading agreement for crying out load! Everyone is behaving as though someone had just killed the messiah. It's ridiculous.
Originally posted by EladarWell over 90% of Indonesians have access to TV at least once a week and somewhere between 70% and 80% watch TV every day. The U.S. election has been one of the top news stories here for about a year on all channels ~ particularly because of the things Trump was saying. Your comments about Indonesia are just plain plucked-from-thin-air silly. You may think you have created "facts on the ground" by making claims about something you obviously know nothing about - that's how the post-truth works, after all - but no one has any reason to think that you have. I remember a dismissive comment you made years ago on the Debates Forum about Indonesians living in grass huts etc. etc. [in reply to some example I gave that was inconvenient to you] It would seem you haven't evolved much since then.
Fmf,
Nice word games. Far more than I know still represents less than half the population. That is a bunch of people on both sides.
Have access to tv once a week does not mean it is a big part of their lives.
If all you are going to dois try to argue that access to tv once a week makes them people of the world with great concern for what happens ouside the village they rarely leave, then I think I am done with this conversation.
Originally posted by EladarGo back to your original claim - the thing that I am disputing is this - I doubt the average person in Indonesia has even heard of Trump or Hillary - well, Eladar, they have. You got it wrong. Wriggle all you want as you try desperately to move the goalposts.
Have access to tv once a week does not mean it is a big part of their lives.
If all you are going to dois try to argue that access to tv once a week makes them people of the world with great concern for what happens ouside the village they rarely leave, then I think I am done with this conversation.
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Originally posted by EladarAgreed but no one is upset about that. Most people don't want a European army or a single European government. The arguments are over economics and free movement of people (aka racism) and the two get conflated and blown out of all proportion, in my opinion.
The Euro zone is much more than just a trade agreement. How many trade agreements include a government and a military?
Globalism sucks!
27 Nov 16
Originally posted by divegeesterBrexit is more than just a trade deal. Brexit represents an opposition to world wide collectivist rule.
A start to what?
And what has that got to do with providing something to back up your claim that the largest group (of voters) are those who don't care?
Edit: I agree that there has been an ambivalence about politics in recent decades but that disappeared in June with the Brexit vote. Like all of us, most of us, I am passionate about democracy and so ...[text shortened]... g out load! Everyone is behaving as though someone had just killed the messiah. It's ridiculous.
That is the rub.
27 Nov 16
Originally posted by EladarWhich bit of that article is it you think supports your contention that the average person in Indonesia has not heard of Trump? Is it the bit where it quotes "one villager"?
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL4N16G5JB?client=ms-android-metropcs-us
You need to educate the guy writing this piece. But who knows maybe you are not the know it all about indonesians that you try to pass yourself off to be.