A bad week for atheism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If the universe has always existed, and there is no God?????

but we know that the universe has not always existed, making an premise of this basis,
completely without foundation. In fact, the very fact that secular science has now
concluded that the universe had a beginning throws up all sorts of interesting questions
and gives more credenc ...[text shortened]...
the beginning', is now a valid scientifically established and seemingly accurate statement.

Science hasn't proven a beginning. Even if there was a "beginning" it can't be proven that it can be approached because there is no smallest measure of time... it is infinitesimal. In other words, there is no such thing as "zero hour" as time keeps on ticking at an immeasurably minute amount.

Science hasn't proven a beginning.

The big bang theory predicts a beginning, does it not?

Even if there was a "beginning" it can't be proven that it can be approached because there is no smallest measure of time... it is infinitesimal. In other words, there is no such thing as "zero hour" as time keeps on ticking at an immeasurably minute amount.

Isn't this just Zeno's paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise. If so, it was answered many centuries, if not millennia ago? Just because we have an infinite series doesn't mean it can't converge.

Originally posted by amolv06
[b]Science hasn't proven a beginning.

The big bang theory predicts a beginning, does it not?

Even if there was a "beginning" it can't be proven that it can be approached because there is no smallest measure of time... it is infinitesimal. In other words, there is no such thing as "zero hour" as time keeps on ticking at an immeasurably minute amo ...[text shortened]... lennia ago? Just because we have an infinite series doesn't mean it can't converge.[/b]

Actually I would disagree on the first point, the big bang is a beginning [of the visible universe] it may not however be THE beginning...
and such a thing might not exist at all.


However the second point is patently ridiculous and is indeed one of Zeno's paradoxes.
Also Time is thought to be granular and thus have a smallest unit. (although the jury is still out on if time even exists, let alone what it is)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what a piece of nonsense, do you really want me to look up all the instances where
religious person who have been motivated primarily because of their religious
convictions have fomented change is society, from improvements in hospitals and
prisons to the abolishment of slavery, no, well give up your prejudices and face facts.
Perhaps we sho ...[text shortened]... d more ignorance than the meanest medieval church could
hope for. All hail the God of Science.

I find it interesting that you class everything people say to you that you disagree with as total nonsense,
before completely misunderstanding it, and then spouting a load of nonsense yourself.

Watch these and learn.

http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/2010/10/matts-superiority-of-secular-morality.html


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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
All hail the God of Science.

oh, missed this one. sorry, we don't have any faith in hermes either. but you can worship him if you like, maybe he'll offer you some scientific enlightenment... you never know until you try.