A Brute Fact ?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I chose not to answer it because it didn't make sense.

I am still waiting for you to give me an example of a fact that is 'not true'. You haven't given me one yet, why is that?

Fact: Chameleons change their color to blend in with their surroundings. (Ask 100 people of sound mind and almost all will confirm this as a factual statement).

In reality the above statement is 'not true'. They change color to communicate. (A chameleon’s color is used to signal mood, aggression, territory, and mating behaviour).

In other words, a fact can cease being a fact when new evidence is presented. Even the more commonly held fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun is actually 'not true.' (It’s revolving around the solar system’s centre of mass).

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I chose not to answer it because it didn't make sense.

But you didn't have the honesty to say 'it doesn't make sense'. Instead you avoided answering it and kept trying to answer questions that were not asked. Yes, you knew that it didn't make sense, but also knew that admitting that it didn't make sense would contradict your earlier claims. Sorry, but now you have admitted it, you have also admitted to being wrong.

I am still waiting for you to give me an example of a fact that is 'not true'. You haven't given me one yet, why is that?
I did, and you admit it in this very post. Sonship is a fact by the dictionary definition I gave. You admit that it doesn't make sense to say sonship is true, therefore he is not true.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Fact: Chameleons change their color to blend in with their surroundings. (Ask 100 people of sound mind and almost all will confirm this as a factual statement).

In reality the above statement is 'not true'. They change color to communicate. (A chameleon’s color is used to signal mood, aggression, territory, and mating behaviour).

Actually, chameleons change their colour for both reasons depending on circumstances. Both 'facts' are thus only partially true.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Fact: Chameleons change their color to blend in with their surroundings. (Ask 100 people of sound mind and almost all will confirm this as a factual statement).

In reality the above statement is 'not true'. They change color to communicate. (A chameleon’s color is used to signal mood, aggression, territory, and mating behaviour).

In other words ...[text shortened]... round the Sun is actually 'not true.' (It’s revolving around the solar system’s centre of mass).

People think it's a fact but actually it is not. So it never was a fact was it?

Originally posted by twhitehead
But you didn't have the honesty to say 'it doesn't make sense'. Instead you avoided answering it and kept trying to answer questions that were not asked. Yes, you knew that it didn't make sense, but also knew that admitting that it didn't make sense would contradict your earlier claims. Sorry, but now you have admitted it, you have also admitted to being ...[text shortened]... n I gave. You admit that it doesn't make sense to say sonship is true, therefore he is not true.

If something doesn't make sense it doesn't mean that it is "not true". Are you saying it makes sense to say Sonship is 'not true'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If something doesn't make sense it doesn't mean that it is "not true".

If something doesn't make sense, can it also be true? You are not making sense, and what you said is not true.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
People think it's a fact but actually it is not. So it never was a fact was it?

Exactly. Facts are only as factual as current knowledge will allow, hence the fallacy of absolute or brute facts.

How many time must I relay this?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Actually, chameleons change their colour for both reasons depending on circumstances. Both 'facts' are thus only partially true.

I'll go along with that.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Exactly. Facts are only as factual as current knowledge will allow, hence the fallacy of absolute or brute facts.

How many time must I relay this?

If it rained today it is a fact that it rained today. It will never not be a fact that it rained today. What new knowledge can change this?

Originally posted by twhitehead
If something doesn't make sense, can it also be true? You are not making sense, and what you said is not true.

It can be "neither true nor false" which is not the same as simply 'not true'. "Not true" only implies "not true" it does not imply "not false". So I ask you again does it make sense to say "Sonship is not true"? You are after all trying to prove that a fact (which you claim to be Sonship) is 'not true'.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If it rained today it is a fact that it rained today. It will never not be a fact that it rained today. What new knowledge can change this?

Knowledge that it was actually not rain at all, but a melting ice meteor as it entered the Earth's atmosphere. Or perhaps you merely dreamed it rained.



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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
It can be "neither true nor false" which is not the same as simply 'not true'. "Not true" only implies "not true" it does not imply "not false".

It is really not clear what you are trying to say here, but I suspect that is deliberate. Whatever the case, you are wrong and you know you are wrong.

I have proved my case beyond any reasonable doubt. Live with it.

Originally posted by twhitehead
It is really not clear what you are trying to say here, but I suspect that is deliberate. Whatever the case, you are wrong and you know you are wrong.

I have proved my case beyond any reasonable doubt. Live with it.

So I ask you again does it make sense to say "Sonship is not true"? You are after all trying to prove that a fact (which you claim to be Sonship) is 'not true'.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Knowledge that it was actually not rain at all, but a melting ice meteor as it entered the Earth's atmosphere. Or perhaps you merely dreamed it rained.



😏

You dream a lot for someone who never sleeps. If water fell from the skies, no matter what the water was before it fell then it still rained. And no I didn't dream that it rained, it actually rained and I was dancing in the rain.