1. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    06 Dec '05 06:48
    Now,

    There is an idea amongst Christians that God created the world for them, which seems a little narcasistic. Let me explain.

    If we take the whole duration of the existance of the earth and represent it by the Eiffel tower, then the world is merely a ball of flaming rock for about the bottom 20%. After that (pretty shortly) life evolved. Nothing more complex than bacteria existed for half of the remaining 80%. Of the top 40%, no multicellular life existed for 80% of it. So of the entire Eiffel tower, only the top 8% represents the last 500 million years or so. 400 million years ago (the top 6😵 the land was colonised by plants. Dinosaurs came about in the top 3% or so, and stuck around until the top 1% of the Effel tower. 3 million years ago humans evolved, in the top 0.06% of the tower.

    So, using the logic of Christians it follows that the Eiffel tower was built to hold up the skin of paint on the top of its highest pinnacle.
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    06 Dec '05 08:00
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Now,

    There is an idea amongst Christians that God created the world for them, which seems a little narcasistic. Let me explain.

    If we take the whole duration of the existance of the earth and represent it by the Eiffel tower, then the world is merely a ball of flaming rock for about the bottom 20%. After that (pretty shortly) life evolved. Noth ...[text shortened]... that the Eiffel tower was built to hold up the skin of paint on the top of its highest pinnacle.
    Actually many Christians believe that the whole universe was created for them. Even though none of this is actually stated in the Bible. Man was an afterthought.
    Anyway if you look at the size of the universe (100 billion stars in our galaxy) and the age of the universe you will find that the Eiffel tower was built to hold up one atom.
    Hence one of the reasons why many Christians prefer to believe in Creationism despite the evidence for a much older universe. (They are also prejudiced against being decended from monkeys).
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    06 Dec '05 08:02
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    (They are also prejudiced against being decended from monkeys).
    Ook ook ook.

    (Eats a banana)
  4. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    06 Dec '05 08:11
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    Ook ook ook.

    (Eats a banana)
    That could be the post of the century!!!
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    06 Dec '05 11:26
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    So, using the logic of Christians it follows that the Eiffel tower was built to hold up the skin of paint on the top of its highest pinnacle.
    Another major problem which Christians will have to face in the future will be the issue of the soul. When a computer is finally developed that is as intelligent as a human being, then the question will be whether or not it will go to heaven when it dies.
    The usual answer I get is that human intelligence is somehow unique and can never be replicated.

    Could it be that we are all just a tool that God is using to create a species of giant computer in his own image ?
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    06 Dec '05 13:47
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Another major problem which Christians will have to face in the future will be the issue of the soul. When a computer is finally developed that is as intelligent as a human being, then the question will be whether or not it will go to heaven when it dies.
    The usual answer I get is that human intelligence is somehow unique and can never be replicated.

    ...[text shortened]... e are all just a tool that God is using to create a species of giant computer in his own image ?
    That will not happen.
    Kelly
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    06 Dec '05 15:12
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    That will not happen.
    Kelly
    More define please - Are you saying that humanity will not develop a true AI? Or that We wont create it in God's image?

    When we do develop a true AI, it will be human nature to make them look like us....or in our image.... so.... Once we have achieved true AI, we will be making it, per Christian belief, in God's image, since humans are an image of Him and they will be an image of us....But you know how a copy of a copy turns out......

    We can call it the Piccaso of God, maybe.
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    06 Dec '05 15:40
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    That will not happen.
    Kelly
    heh
    You wish.
    🙂
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    07 Dec '05 07:41
    I tell you this - that - no AI and no computer will ever be human, nor will it think like one, act like one or feel like one.

    It would be nice to see such things around, but if it will walk around in our streets, think again! Maybe in another world or maybe in 1000 years from now.
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    07 Dec '05 10:351 edit
    Originally posted by Nicolaas
    I tell you this - that - no AI and no computer will ever be human, nor will it think like one, act like one or feel like one.

    It would be nice to see such things around, but if it will walk around in our streets, think again! Maybe in another world or maybe in 1000 years from now.
    There is currently very little drive to create human-like AI but this is mostly because there is no obvious profit to be made from it at present. It makes more sense to make computers do what they do best.
    However humans have a habit of copying what they see, this can be seen with robot design often mimicking the human form even though this is not the most efficient design.
    It is quite likely however that study of the brain will be used to improve AI and quite likely that human like intelligence is developed.
    Though I dont think that this will happen as soon as some people predict as it is probably more complicated than it looks, I still think it will happen eventually.
    Many people including Kasparov believed that a computer could never beat a human at Chess, this has been proved wrong.

    However the main point of my post was not regarding a human like intelligence but an intelligence. Possibly much more intelligent than a human.

    You also give no reasons for your conclusions.
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    07 Dec '05 10:37
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Now,

    There is an idea amongst Christians that God created the world for them, which seems a little narcasistic. Let me explain.

    If we take the whole duration of the existance of the earth and represent it by the Eiffel tower, then the world is merely a ball of flaming rock for about the bottom 20%. After that (pretty shortly) life evolved. Noth ...[text shortened]... that the Eiffel tower was built to hold up the skin of paint on the top of its highest pinnacle.
    Do you wish to have all the assumptions on which your glorious Eiffel tower is built, pointed out?
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    07 Dec '05 10:481 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    That will not happen.
    Kelly
    In one sense, hasn't it already happened? Isn't the brain a sort of digital processor (neurons fire = 1, neurons don't = 0) that can be computationally modelled? Why should neurons get consciousness, but silicon circuits not?
  13. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    07 Dec '05 10:49
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Do you wish to have all the assumptions on which your glorious Eiffel tower is built, pointed out?
    I'm afraid it's not my analogy, just one I heard a while back, but please, educate me....
  14. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    07 Dec '05 10:54
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    There is currently very little drive to create human-like AI but this is mostly because there is no obvious profit to be made from it at present. It makes more sense to make computers do what they do best.
    However humans have a habit of copying what they see, this can be seen with robot design often mimicking the human form even though this is not the mo ...[text shortened]... . Possibly much more intelligent than a human.

    You also give no reasons for your conclusions.
    There would be massive implications of this! There is massive drive towards half decent AI. I mean, look, if video games developers are finding a place for it in video games do you really think that the scientific community wouldn;t have use for it?

    Think how great it would be to send truly intellegent spaceships of to explore the universe, able to fend for themselves within parameters. Think how much medicine and science would progress with an intellegent thinking machine, running a million times faster than a human brain.

    What about military implications, computer defense systems able to run through millions of perturbations.

    Trust me, there is a huge push for AI, and in time, it will happen!
  15. Standard memberHalitose
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    07 Dec '05 10:58
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    I'm afraid it's not my analogy, just one I heard a while back, but please, educate me....
    For a start, the beautifully worked out dates, just how is this all dated?
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