Originally posted by dj2beckersigh. I can't believe I have to explain this, but...it's useless because it is a logical fallacy. It is an appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam. An example I'm sure you're familiar with: "The bible is God's inerrant word, therefore the bible is true". The fundamental problem with this statement is that there is no proof of the former, so the latter is inconsequential, meaningless and fallacious. QED.
Just because you have not yet been struck by the realisation that it is God's revelation to man?
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Originally posted by dj2beckerLogic is not dependent on who the person proposing it or hearing it is. Therefore if it's illogical to the "sinful" it's illogical period.
It sure is to the one who's understanding has been darkened by the deceitfulness of sin.
Hebrews 3:13 - But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
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Originally posted by David CThe fundamental problem with this statement is that there is no proof of the former...
sigh. I can't believe I have to explain this, but...it's useless because it is a logical fallacy. It is an appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam. An example I'm sure you're familiar with: "The bible is God's inerrant word, therefore the bible is true". The fundamental problem with this statement is that there is no proof of th ...[text shortened]... ormer, so the latter is inconsequential, meaningless and fallacious. QED.
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What would you regard as proof?
Originally posted by dj2beckerand reading further down, you're back to your same old, same old. no more laughing with you.
It sure is sad. But unfortunately its true. It's like putting the cart before the horse if you try to be "spirit-filled" before being cleansed from sin. I am afraid there is more to being cleansed from sin than saying a simple prayer . Unfortunately Satan has deceived many "christians" in the same way.
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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Originally posted by David CRevolutionised lives. Can you show me any drug adicts, prostitutes, serial murderers that have been totally set free from their lives of adiction by any other means? I know of plenty that have been totally set free by Jesus Christ.
What have you got? No copy & paste jobs or book recommendations, please.
John 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Originally posted by dj2beckerexactly what evidence does the book present for His existence? could you summarize it briefly, or is there just so much overwhelming evidence that i just have to read the book for myself? i tend to think you'll lean toward the latter.
I would really encourage the skeptics to read this book. I regard this as evidence for His existance.
A Skeptic's Search for God: Convincing Evidence for His Existence
by Ralph O. Muncaster
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0736904522?v=glance
Originally posted by dj2beckerPlease cite a few examples. I'm a sucker for an uplifting moral tale.
Can you show me any drug adicts, prostitutes, serial murderers that have been totally set free from their lives of adiction by any other means? I know of plenty that have been totally set free by Jesus Christ.
William Burroughs was totally cured of heroin addiction by means of apomorphine. He went on to write (among other things) "Ghost of Chance", an intriguing tale of the Blood of Christ.
Originally posted by dj2beckerMany Muslims, Buddhists and Scientologists say the same. What does this prove about the veracity of your claims in particular?
Revolutionised lives. Can you show me any drug adicts, prostitutes, serial murderers that have been totally set free from their lives of adiction by any other means? I know of plenty that have been totally set free by Jesus Christ.
John 8:36 - If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloHe basically relates how he as a became a hard core atheist and then an agnostic. He tells how he searched for the truth and eventually found so much evidence for God's exisatance as well as a lot of testable prophecies from the Bible. He deals with a lot of issues that agnostics are faced with, seeing he himself used to be one. I would really recommend you to read it as he deals with a lot of issues that you struggle with, such as suffering and free will, etc., etc.
exactly what evidence does the book present for His existence? could you summarize it briefly, or is there just so much overwhelming evidence that i just have to read the book for myself? i tend to think you'll lean toward the latter.