Spirituality
09 Jul 22
This OP has been started because kellyjay refuses to discuss the topic in debates - from page 3 here Thread 193867
- Kellyjay is anti abortion - that’s ok on the surface of it.
- he also believes that only a “few” will be saved by Jesus. The “few” which scripture says will find the way.
- he also believes that the rest, the vast majority then, will not be saved and will end up in hell being burnt alive for eternity by Jesus. As per Rev 14.
So here’s my challenge to him and anyone else who wants to defend their beliefs…
Statistically speaking abortions will save countless individuals from growing and NOT believing in Jesus and subsequently SAVE them from Jesus burning them alive for eternity.
Sure then if one in in the womb and unwanted by one’s parents, it is statically much better to be aborted and avoid hell than to roll the loaded dice of scripture and hope to be one the “few”?
Furthermore, how can it be morally righteous for a God to expect, demand even, that zealots like kellyjay preach against abortion when that God KNOWS that those babies will be in hell being tortured by him?
God is not a God of confusion. Hell, as a place of torture, cannot exist.
Thoughts?
09 Jul 22
@divegeester saidI don't have an opinion on abortion one way or the other, but with all due respect to kellyjay, his beliefs on who will be saved and who will go to hell is rather meaningless, since he is not the one who decides these things.
This OP has been started because kellyjay refuses to discuss the topic in debates - from page 3 here Thread 193867
- Kellyjay is anti abortion - that’s ok on the surface of it.
- he also believes that only a “few” will be saved by Jesus. The “few” which scripture says will find the way.
- he also believes that the rest, the vast majority then, will no ...[text shortened]... d by him?
God is not a God of confusion. Hell, as a place of torture, cannot exist.
Thoughts?
09 Jul 22
@mchill saidIf his beliefs don't matter and are "meaningless", gosh, what on Earth is he doing on a discussion forum?
I don't have an opinion on abortion one way or the other, but with all due respect to kellyjay, his beliefs on who will be saved and who will go to hell is rather meaningless, since he is not the one who decides these things.
09 Jul 22
@divegeester saidGod created all life, God maintains the universe by the power of His Word. He is the judge not me, He gives us life and what we do with it, is on us. He is a God of life, and those that love death over life will answer for that.
This OP has been started because kellyjay refuses to discuss the topic in debates - from page 3 here Thread 193867
- Kellyjay is anti abortion - that’s ok on the surface of it.
- he also believes that only a “few” will be saved by Jesus. The “few” which scripture says will find the way.
- he also believes that the rest, the vast majority then, will no ...[text shortened]... d by him?
God is not a God of confusion. Hell, as a place of torture, cannot exist.
Thoughts?
@kellyjay saidAfter telling me to post about this in Spirituality after refusing to discuss it in Debates… it seems like you don’t want to discuss this in here either.
God created all life, God maintains the universe by the power of His Word. He is the judge not me, He gives us life and what we do with it, is on us. He is a God of life, and those that love death over life will answer for that.
No why is that I wonder.
10 Jul 22
@divegeester saidEvil has been judged, and our hearts are prone to it; it is our default position before
After telling me to post about this in Spirituality after refusing to discuss it in Debates… it seems like you don’t want to discuss this in here either.
No why is that I wonder.
God, yet He lets us live in His grace, giving us the opportunity to turn to Him.
Our hearts can see death as a quick fix to many of life's problems; a means for
revenge when we are mad, to acquire something as people steal, to run away from
things that bother us. Our society is now to the point that many think killing the
child in the womb is not only a good thing but a right demanded.
God creates our lives; we do not have an option to end our own lives, let alone
another's it isn't our choice to kill because we feel it makes things better for us or
anyone else; we do not know the beginning from the end while God does. For all
we know, the cure for many ills in life was snuffed out because of an abortion. The
lives that could have been lived were ended in abortion and never grew up; the
good that could have come from them was snuffed out.
We don't have the right to end a life because we think we know what may happen
to them we don't possess that knowledge the arrogant may think so we don't know
the future. We most definitely are not given the right to end someone else's future
because it is an inconvenience to our own, especially because of choices we have
made to put ourselves in that position. It is God who gives life and puts limits on
our life expectancy we don't have a say in either in that isn't done in righteousness.
10 Jul 22
@kellyjay saidYes I know what abortion is and I know what your stance on it is and I know WHY you hold that opinion.
Evil has been judged, and our hearts are prone to it; it is our default position before
God, yet He lets us live in His grace, giving us the opportunity to turn to Him.
Our hearts can see death as a quick fix to many of life's problems; a means for
revenge when we are mad, to acquire something as people steal, to run away from
things that bother us. Our society is now ...[text shortened]... ts limits on
our life expectancy we don't have a say in either in that isn't done in righteousness.
What the OP is asking is how someone such as yourself reconciles all the “truths” (according to your beliefs) I highlighted. Your response here is more or less an “it is what it is” approach.
Given that God is just and knows everyone before they were conceived right through to them being in hell with him, I am asking how you reconcile this blatant contradiction between a stance on abortion with this notion of Jesus burning the majority of the non-aborted in hell?
Can you see that something must be wrong?
10 Jul 22
@divegeester saidThe whole point of life is not to avoid hell.
Yes I know what abortion is and I know what your stance on it is and I know WHY you hold that opinion.
What the OP is asking is how someone such as yourself reconciles all the “truths” (according to your beliefs) I highlighted. Your response here is more or less an “it is what it is” approach.
Given that God is just and knows everyone before they were conceived ri ...[text shortened]... Jesus burning the majority of the non-aborted in hell?
Can you see that something must be wrong?
10 Jul 22
@divegeester saidHaving a right relationship with God is the only thing that matters, not avoiding
Your dodge is noted.
Clearly you are unable to reconcile the juxtaposition of ideologies in my OP.
Hell; therefore, killing people before they can live life is not God's goal. God comes
that we may have life and that more abundantly. The devil Satan loves it when we
are unfruitful and loves our deaths; that is right up Satan's plan; it is his goal.
@kellyjay saidYes I know what abortion is and I know what your stance on it is and I know WHY you hold that opinion.
Having a right relationship with God is the only thing that matters, not avoiding
Hell; therefore, killing people before they can live life is not God's goal. God comes
that we may have life and that more abundantly. The devil Satan loves it when we
are unfruitful and loves our deaths; that is right up Satan's plan; it is his goal.
What the OP is asking is how someone such as yourself reconciles all the “truths” (according to your beliefs) I highlighted. Your response here is more or less an “it is what it is” approach.
Given that God is just and knows everyone before they were conceived right through to them being in hell with him, I am asking how you reconcile this blatant contradiction between a stance on abortion with this notion of Jesus burning the majority of the non-aborted in hell?
Can you see that something must be wrong?