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Originally posted by divegeesterWhich god?
Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?
Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?
How can you be either of the above?
I'm absolutely certain that logically impossible or incoherent 'gods' don't exist.
I have varying degrees of confidence that other gods don't exist depending on the
god in question.
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by googlefudgeCan you explain logically impossible Gods please?
Which god?
I'm absolutely certain that logically impossible or incoherent 'gods' don't exist.
I have varying degrees of confidence that other gods don't exist depending on the
god in question.
Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
Originally posted by divegeesterAny god whose description is logically impossible. This could include a description that contradicts itself, or a description that contradicts things we consider to be known facts. I guess 'incoherent' is not quite the same thing as 'logically impossible', so you can add gods whose definition is incoherent to the list of gods that I am absolutely sure do not exist.
Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?
Originally posted by divegeesterWhat is your position on the invisible pink unicorn that lives in my fridge? Are you absolutely certain it doesn't exist?
Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?
Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?
How can you be either of the above?
What is your position on the existence of unicorns in general?
Are you absolutely certain you exist?
Are you absolutely certain I exist?
Are you absolutely certain someone you currently live with exists?
Originally posted by divegeesterI am certain enough that no theistic god exists that I would bet my life on it. Obviously other definitions of 'god' such as 'the universe' exist by definition.
Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?
Is that 'absolute' enough for you?
How can you be either of the above?
My experience and knowledge of the universe rules out the existence of a theistic god.
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03 Jun 15
Originally posted by divegeester
Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?
Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?
I could, but twhitehead has done it for me.
Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
Huh?
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you can be absolutely certain that those gods you mentioned do not exist, then why can't I be absolutely certain that your refrigerated pink unicorn doesn't exist?
What is your position on the invisible pink unicorn that lives in my fridge? Are you absolutely certain it doesn't exist?
What is your position on the existence of unicorns in general?
Are you absolutely certain you exist?
Are you absolutely certain I exist?
Are you absolutely certain someone you currently live with exists?
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by Great King RatI'm probably not going. To be very good at that, but, let's say gods as being a living single entity similar to but not limited by the popular understanding we have of the God, Jehovah or Allah etc.
I don't like to be "that guy" [hidden]I do, really 😉 [/hidden], but you should probably define "God" and "exist".
Existing: real, physical or "spiritual" but real, constant and within our capacity of understanding.
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by googlefudgeYou are absolutely certain that an incoherent God doesn't exist. I'm asking why. Because of its incoherency, or some other factor? If some other factor, then why use the adjective "incoherent", if so, then why would being incoherent make it impossible to exist?Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?
I could, but twhitehead has done it for me.
Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
Huh?
I'm aware that we are probably using the word incoherent to mean different things.
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by divegeesterNo, I don't think this was very good indeed.
I'm probably not going. To be very good at that, but, let's say gods as being a living single entity similar to but not limited by the popular understanding we have of the God, Jehovah or Allah etc.
Existing: real, physical or "spiritual" but real, constant and within our capacity of understanding.
For one, every thing we know as "living entities" can die. Can God die?
"similar to but not limited by the popular understanding..."
So, anything that anyone can come up with. Pink unicorns for instance.
"spiritual"
Now this definitely needs to be defined. Which is probably going to be problematic, to say the least.
real
How do you define a "real" god.
constant
What? Don't know what that means in this context.
within our capacity of understanding.
I don't think what is referred to as 'God" is even remotely "within our capacity of understanding", certainly if said god exists "spiritually" in something known as "the spiritual world".
On the basis of this I'd say it can be ascertained with absolute certainty that god/s doesn't/don't exist.
03 Jun 15
Originally posted by Great King RatWe then don't let my definitions limit your response, why don't you answer the OP the way you feel best expresses your thoughts.
No, I don't think this was very good indeed.
For one, every thing we know as "living entities" can die. Can God die?
[b]"similar to but not limited by the popular understanding..."
So, anything that anyone can come up with. Pink unicorns for instance.
"spiritual"
Now this definitely needs to be defined. Which is proba ...[text shortened]... is of this I'd say it can be ascertained with absolute certainty that god/s doesn't/don't exist.[/b]
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