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    03 Jun '15 11:50
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?

    Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?

    How can you be either of the above?
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    03 Jun '15 11:56
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?

    Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?

    How can you be either of the above?
    I am 'pretty certain' that God doesn't exist.

    Only closed minds deal in absolutes.
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    03 Jun '15 12:13
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?

    Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?

    How can you be either of the above?
    Which god?

    I'm absolutely certain that logically impossible or incoherent 'gods' don't exist.

    I have varying degrees of confidence that other gods don't exist depending on the
    god in question.
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    03 Jun '15 12:17
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Which god?

    I'm absolutely certain that logically impossible or incoherent 'gods' don't exist.

    I have varying degrees of confidence that other gods don't exist depending on the
    god in question.
    Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?

    Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
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    03 Jun '15 12:30
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?
    Any god whose description is logically impossible. This could include a description that contradicts itself, or a description that contradicts things we consider to be known facts. I guess 'incoherent' is not quite the same thing as 'logically impossible', so you can add gods whose definition is incoherent to the list of gods that I am absolutely sure do not exist.
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    03 Jun '15 12:311 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?

    Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?

    How can you be either of the above?
    What is your position on the invisible pink unicorn that lives in my fridge? Are you absolutely certain it doesn't exist?

    What is your position on the existence of unicorns in general?

    Are you absolutely certain you exist?

    Are you absolutely certain I exist?

    Are you absolutely certain someone you currently live with exists?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?
    I am certain enough that no theistic god exists that I would bet my life on it. Obviously other definitions of 'god' such as 'the universe' exist by definition.

    Is that 'absolute' enough for you?

    How can you be either of the above?
    My experience and knowledge of the universe rules out the existence of a theistic god.
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    03 Jun '15 12:39
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?

    Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?
    Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?


    I could, but twhitehead has done it for me.

    Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?


    Huh?
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    03 Jun '15 12:501 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Are you absolutely certain that God doesn't exist?

    Are you absolutely certain that God does exist?

    How can you be either of the above?
    I don't like to be "that guy" Reveal Hidden Content
    I do, really 😉
    , but you should probably define "God" and "exist".
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    03 Jun '15 12:59
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What is your position on the invisible pink unicorn that lives in my fridge? Are you absolutely certain it doesn't exist?

    What is your position on the existence of unicorns in general?

    Are you absolutely certain you exist?

    Are you absolutely certain I exist?

    Are you absolutely certain someone you currently live with exists?
    If you can be absolutely certain that those gods you mentioned do not exist, then why can't I be absolutely certain that your refrigerated pink unicorn doesn't exist?
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    03 Jun '15 13:02
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    I don't like to be "that guy" [hidden]I do, really 😉 [/hidden], but you should probably define "God" and "exist".
    I'm probably not going. To be very good at that, but, let's say gods as being a living single entity similar to but not limited by the popular understanding we have of the God, Jehovah or Allah etc.

    Existing: real, physical or "spiritual" but real, constant and within our capacity of understanding.
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    03 Jun '15 13:04
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Can you explain logically impossible Gods please?


    I could, but twhitehead has done it for me.

    Would being an "incoherent God" deny you existence?


    Huh?
    You are absolutely certain that an incoherent God doesn't exist. I'm asking why. Because of its incoherency, or some other factor? If some other factor, then why use the adjective "incoherent", if so, then why would being incoherent make it impossible to exist?

    I'm aware that we are probably using the word incoherent to mean different things.
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    03 Jun '15 13:25
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I'm probably not going. To be very good at that, but, let's say gods as being a living single entity similar to but not limited by the popular understanding we have of the God, Jehovah or Allah etc.

    Existing: real, physical or "spiritual" but real, constant and within our capacity of understanding.
    No, I don't think this was very good indeed.

    For one, every thing we know as "living entities" can die. Can God die?

    "similar to but not limited by the popular understanding..."

    So, anything that anyone can come up with. Pink unicorns for instance.

    "spiritual"

    Now this definitely needs to be defined. Which is probably going to be problematic, to say the least.

    real

    How do you define a "real" god.

    constant

    What? Don't know what that means in this context.

    within our capacity of understanding.

    I don't think what is referred to as 'God" is even remotely "within our capacity of understanding", certainly if said god exists "spiritually" in something known as "the spiritual world".

    On the basis of this I'd say it can be ascertained with absolute certainty that god/s doesn't/don't exist.
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    03 Jun '15 13:41
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    No, I don't think this was very good indeed.

    For one, every thing we know as "living entities" can die. Can God die?

    [b]"similar to but not limited by the popular understanding..."


    So, anything that anyone can come up with. Pink unicorns for instance.

    "spiritual"

    Now this definitely needs to be defined. Which is proba ...[text shortened]... is of this I'd say it can be ascertained with absolute certainty that god/s doesn't/don't exist.[/b]
    We then don't let my definitions limit your response, why don't you answer the OP the way you feel best expresses your thoughts.

    🙂
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    03 Jun '15 14:36
    Originally posted by divegeester
    then why can't I be absolutely certain that your refrigerated pink unicorn doesn't exist?
    I don't know why, you tell me. I thought you would be certain and am frankly surprised that you are not.
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