"absurdity" is about right

Originally posted by howardgee
...but of course the effects of what we have done will continue after we die.

Our children live on ... and the other people we have helped to shape ...and the people they affect..and so on and so forth.

And we have an environmental effect.

Of course we will have absolutely no effect on the world if we spend our entire life praying to a non-existent God!

Your children live, but as I was pointing out to you before, you will
not according to the "there is nothing after this life belief system."
So in the end even after you die, for you there is nothing, it does
not matter if you were what you'd call a good person, or a bad one,
all roads for you in that belief system end the same way. The same
will be true according to that belief system for your children too,
they too will die and be nothing; therefore, if they were good, if
they were bad, means nothing in the end, if they had plenty here
in this life, or lived on next to nothing, in the end it is the same.

Those you helped shape will all disappear, their lives end and come
to naught according to you, you are spending your time helping
that which has no chance to carry on, and if the life here dies, all
that held meaning here on our little planet would cease to exist.
From nothing we came, to nothing we go, blessed be the great
nothing, I guess according to you.

I agree that we have absolutely no effect on the world if we spend
our life, entire or in part praying to non-existent God, but since
the God I pray to is real; I'm not overly concern about that part.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Your children live, but as I was pointing out to you before, you will
not according to the "there is nothing after this life belief system."
So in the end even after you die, for you there is nothing, it does
not matter if you were what you'd call a good person, or a bad one,
all roads for you in that belief system end the same way. The same
will be ...[text shortened]... stent God, but since
the God I pray to is real; I'm not overly concern about that part.
Kelly

How eactly do you know that the God you pray to is real?

Originally posted by howardgee
How eactly do you know that the God you pray to is real?

Faith, is all I can offer you. My life has changed since the day I got
saved, but that isn't something I can show you in a box of text you
read at chess site. Only God can prove He is real to you, I cannot.

Can you know there is nothing after this life?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Faith, is all I can offer you. My life has changed since the day I got
saved, but that isn't something I can show you in a box of text you
read at chess site. Only God can prove He is real to you, I cannot.

Can you know there is nothing after this life?
Kelly

hmmm....so you admit that "God" is nothing but faith....and that you cannot objectively demonstrate him to anybody.

Sounds exactly like a paranoid, delusional person who sees and hears things. The fact that plenty of other people see and hear the same unprovable entity, only proves two things:

1. Mass hysteria is present.
2. Some people will believe everything they read or are told.

Please keep posting on this site, Kelly. At least this is one aspect of your life where you are able to communicate with entities which actually exist outside of your head, and you are not COMPLETELY wasting your life.

Originally posted by howardgee
hmmm....so you admit that "God" is nothing but faith....and that you cannot objectively demonstrate him to anybody.

Sounds exactly like a paranoid, delusional person who sees and hears things. The fact that plenty of other people see and hear the same unprovable entity, only proves two things:

1. Mass hysteria is present.
2. Some people will be ...[text shortened]... ntities which actually exist outside of your head, and you are not COMPLETELY wasting your life.

Better than nothing, and more real too. I did not say that God was
nothing, but faith, I did say I couldn't prove God. There is a difference
and you should be able to grasp that.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Better than nothing, and more real too. I did not say that God was
nothing, but faith, I did say I couldn't prove God. There is a difference
and you should be able to grasp that.
Kelly

Better than nothing? Not necessarily - not if nothing is all there really is. You are just deluding yourself.

The fact that you are unwilling to share your reasons for believing in God, suggests that you are afraid of being ridiculed. Because ridiculous is the word for your religious beliefs.

Originally posted by howardgee
Better than nothing? Not necessarily - not if nothing is all there really is. You are just deluding yourself.

The fact that you are unwilling to share your reasons for believing in God, suggests that you are afraid of being ridiculed. Because ridiculous is the word for your religious beliefs.

That is the true point isn't it, if all there really is, is nothing; I'm
deluding myself, and you are acting out in pure vanity! Since it
doesn't matter if I believe in God or not I would end in nothing,
if you acknowledge that there is nothing you end in nothing, we
both end in nothing according to your beliefs no matter what
we believe here. There is no winner or loser to any belief system,
only a voiding of all of one's life's work improving oneself, and
in the end the voiding of all of one's life work in improving the
lives of others too, since they all die and end up in nothing, if
you are correct.

There is not a lasting good or bad path to any life since all lives
end the same way no matter what the choices were we made, no
matter what was valued, no matter X period, it all ends in
nothing. That is according to the belief that nothing awaits us
all after we die. The murder and rapist end the same way as
doctors and nurses who gave their lives to save and help people,
the end is the same; the lives they change are only changed here
and then nothing.

So I believe in God, I believe that a judgment awaits us all, that
what is done in this life does matter far beyond the boundaries
of this life time we find ourselves in here now. I may share what
lead me to the Lord, but if I do, I'll do it because I want to, not
because you are attempting to push me in to it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
That is the true point isn't it, if all there really is, is nothing; I'm
deluding myself, and you are acting out in pure vanity! Since it
doesn't matter if I believe in God or not I would end in nothing,
if you acknowledge that there is nothing you end in nothing, we
both end in nothing according to your beliefs no matter what
we believe here. There ...[text shortened]... I do, I'll do it because I want to, not
because you are attempting to push me in to it.
Kelly

You sound like a little kid, Kelly ; "I don't want to...Waaa waaa!!"

If you are not prepared to justify your faith, then why bother wasting your time telling us about it?

Your opinion is worthless, because you cannot (or are not prepared to) substantiate it in any way whatsoever.

Originally posted by howardgee
You sound like a little kid, Kelly ; "I don't want to...Waaa waaa!!"

If you are not prepared to justify your faith, then why bother wasting your time telling us about it?

Your opinion is worthless, because you cannot (or are not prepared to) substantiate it in any way whatsoever.

It isn't a matter of waa waa, it really does not matter what I say
if I tell you of events I believe were supernatural in nature, you
could call me a liar, dismissing me out of hand. If I tell you about
feelings of knowing God was real my whole life you could go on
and find ways of diosmosing all of that too. These are just words
on a computer screen they cannot authenticate anything I say as
factual. I cannot bring God out in the open; I can say that God is
real and not far from those that seek Him, because I believe this
to be true. It isn’t a matter of believing a story about my past, what
does matter is truth no matter where anyone is and lives.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
It isn't a matter of waa waa, it really does not matter what I say
if I tell you of events I believe were supernatural in nature, you
could call me a liar, dismissing me out of hand. If I tell you about
feelings of knowing God was real my whole life you could go on
and find ways of diosmosing all of that too. These are just words
on a computer screen ...[text shortened]... ng a story about my past, what
does matter is truth no matter where anyone is and lives.
Kelly

I would not call you a liar.
What I may do is offer other, rational explanations for what you think were supernatural occurences.
Is this what you are afraid of - losing your faith in God?

Why are you afraid to tell me about your foundation for faith?
Like you say - it is only words on the page...and when we are dead, then none of this will matter a hoot.

Originally posted by howardgee
I would not call you a liar.
What I may do is offer other, rational explanations for what you think were supernatural occurences.
Is this what you are afraid of - losing your faith in God?

Why are you afraid to tell me about your foundation for faith?
Like you say - it is only words on the page...and when we are dead, then none of this will matter a hoot.

Tell you the truth, Howard—the only times I’ve been willing to talk at all about my “deconversion” experiences (to use telerion’s term) on here, I’ve only been willing to do so very obliquely. KJ hasn’t been any less forthcoming in a public forum about his conversion than I’ve been about my move the other way: he’s alluded to it, letting anyone read between the lines as they will. I have to go with KJ on this one. I’m not ready to splash my personal life all over the “Donahue Show.”

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question here...