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@divegeester saidIn any scenario. Do you always reply to a question with another question?
In what scenario?
14 Nov 22
@kevin-eleven saidThen the thread premise is diluted beyond useful meaning.
In any scenario. Do you always reply to a question with another question?
If there’s something on your mind just say it.
14 Nov 22
@kevin-eleven saidYou can accept that God is real and not be saved, not sure what point you are
Wouldn't acceptance be the more mature choice?
trying to make.
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16 Nov 22
@divegeester saidYes, you were correct to ask me to be more specific.
Then the thread premise is diluted beyond useful meaning.
If there’s something on your mind just say it.
Here's an attempt:
Subject: Acceptance of the reality of death versus imaginary notions that there might be some kind of salvation from the reality of death
Question: Wouldn't acceptance of the reality of death be the more mature approach?
@kevin-eleven saidI see what you are getting at now.
Subject: Acceptance of the reality of death versus imaginary notions that there might be some kind of salvation from the reality of death
Question: Wouldn't acceptance of the reality of death be the more mature approach?
Personally I don’t find it to be an either/or mindset. Part of me deeply believes that there is a God and part of me doesn’t. Perhaps I’m actually an agnostic Christian!
Anyway my freedom of personal belief and the expression of it mightily pisses off the hard-line we-know-it-all likes of Josephw, which is a small bonus in the struggle to rationalise the binary nature of my relationship with a God in whom I trust.
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@divegeester saidAlthough I left a certain prominent faith in my teens after I observed that it seemed to be mostly a form of social control that tried to damage the psyches of the young for the sake of that control, I still kept a "wait and see" attitude regarding the afterlife, and subsequently noticed (especially during my periods of creative activity) that some things seemed to be connected behind the scenes.
I see what you are getting at now.
Personally I don’t find it to be an either/or mindset. Part of me deeply believes that there is a God and part of me doesn’t. Perhaps I’m actually an agnostic Christian!
Anyway my freedom of personal belief and the expression of it mightily pisses off the hard-line we-know-it-all likes of Josephw, which is a small bonus in the struggle to rationalise the binary nature of my relationship with a God in whom I trust.
The works of Myers and Moody regarding indications that there is an afterlife are of some slight interest.
So I guess time will tell.
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@kevin-eleven saidMyers and Moody?
Although I left a certain prominent faith in my teens after I observed that it seemed to be mostly a form of social control that tried to damage the psyches of the young for the sake of that control, I still kept a "wait and see" attitude regarding the afterlife, and subsequently noticed (especially during my periods of creative activity) that some things seemed to be co ...[text shortened]... ng indications that there is an afterlife are of some slight interest.
So I guess time will tell.
17 Nov 22
@kevin-eleven saidMy experience is that most Christian churches are controlling to some extent.
Although I left a certain prominent faith in my teens after I observed that it seemed to be mostly a form of social control that tried to damage the psyches of the young for the sake of that control, I still kept a "wait and see" attitude regarding the afterlife, and subsequently noticed (especially during my periods of creative activity) that some things seemed to be connected behind the scenes.
Btw I’m not an “agnostic Christian”.
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18 Nov 22
@divegeester saidOn my side, I'm not really a retrotemporal incursion from the Seventh Epoch of Mars.
Btw I’m not an “agnostic Christian”.
Always better to keep the controllers guessing -- on this perhaps we might agree.
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@kellyjay saidFrederic W. H. Myers:
Myers and Moody?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_W._H._Myers
Raymond Moody:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Moody
For me the most interesting book of Moody's was not about NDE's, but the one about the recollections of survivors who witnessed strange phenomena at the moment of someone else's passing (sorry that I don't remember the title).
18 Nov 22
@kevin-eleven saidI recall reading a book about that in I be the 70’s but don’t recall the name, before I got saved.
Frederic W. H. Myers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_W._H._Myers
Raymond Moody:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Moody
For me the most interesting book of Moody's was not about NDE's, but the one about the recollections of survivors who witnessed strange phenomena at the moment of someone else's passing (sorry that I don't remember the title).