@fmf said“convincing proofs”
"After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."
Thoughts?
Based on the dozens of threads I read about objective and subjective truths, I presume may here will not comprehend the meaning of, nor actually the significance of, providing “convincing proof”
@fmf saidDo the "many convincing proofs" mentioned in Acts 1:3 constitute credible evidence that the resurrection was a historical event?
"After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."
Thoughts?
Over the period of 40 days we see Jesus visibly appearing and alternately vanishing from thier sight. It doesn't say He went away. The New Testament says He vanished and was again not seen.
Over that period of 40 days He trained His disciples to understand that He was with them even though they could not physically observe Him. In forty days of such training and speaking of "the kingdom of God" they got well trained.
When He ascended out of their sight in a cloud to heaven, they had been trained to understand that truly He would come back into their sight one day. Yet He was still with them until the consummation of the age, however long that may be.
"And behold, I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age." (Matt. 28:20b)
@fmf saidActs 1:3 sounds like something that was simply inserted into this "account" ~ like final touches or "spin" applied to a manuscript ~ decades after Jesus' execution in a way that seems, now, inconveniently offhand, does it not?
"After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God."
Thoughts?
@sonship saidWhy was there no account of this 'training' written down?
Over that period of 40 days He trained His disciples to understand that He was with them even though they could not physically observe Him. In forty days of such training and speaking of "the kingdom of God" they got well trained.
@FMF
There is an account if you notice it.
Read Luke from the resurrection onward.
Consider John from the resurrection onward.
And consider Acts and His words and activity prior to ascending to heaven.
Incuded in the words of Acts 1:3 are all the things that Jesus began both to do and to teach until the day on which He was taken up . . ." (v.1)
These things include HIs appearing and vanishing a number of times as you will read.
"To whom also He presented Himself alive after His suffering by many irrefultable proofs . . . " I feel are the things demonstrating He was indeed alive.
And "appearing to them through a period of forty days and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God."
This I feel concerns appearing and being hidden.
Speaking and demonstrating the things pertaining to "the kingdom of God"
The would include that part of the kingdom of God which is Christ being in their midst.
"And when He was questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation; Nor will the say to you, Behold, here it is! or, There! For behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." ( Luke 17:21,21)
As Jesus was in their midst, so the kingdom of God was in their midst.
He had spoken this. He demonstrated this for the forty day period He was with them prior to His ascending to heaven.
I am assured that it sunk into the disciples to the degree that when persecution came in a severe and life threatening way they were confident Jesus Christ was both alive and still with them, in their midst and living within them. Thier conviction of this could not be shaken.
Their conviction of this was tested to the extreme from every angle.
They had been trained . And they were to train and disciple others.
"Go therefore and disciple all the nations baotizng them into the name of he Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that have commanded you. And behold I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age." (Matt. 28:19,20)
@FMF
The descrption of what he did is in Acts 1.
The examples (Probably with some overlap):
John 20:11-13 to Mary Magadelene
John 20:19-25 to the disciples minus Thomas
John 20:26-31 to the disciples including Thomas (after 8 days)
John 21:1-14 to the disciples who had gone back to fishing.
Luke 24:13-35 to two disciples going to Emmaus
Luke 24:36-49 to the disciples
Mark 16:9-11 to Mary
Mark 16:12-13) to two disciples
Mark 16:14-18 to the 11 disciples
Probably also Matt. 28:9 to the women
@sonship saidAnd yet, there is no account of those 40 days.
@FMF
The descrption of what he did is in Acts 1.
The examples (Probably with some overlap):
John 20:11-13 to Mary Magadelene
John 20:19-25 to the disciples minus Thomas
John 20:26-31 to the disciples including Thomas (after 8 days)
John 21:1-14 to the disciples who had gone back to fishing.
Luke 24:13-35 to two dis ...[text shortened]... o disciples
Mark 16:14-18 to the 11 disciples
Probably also Matt. 28:9 to the women
@kellyjay saidAnd yet, strangely, no account of those days, nothing about his "many appearances", nothing about the supposed "many convincing proofs", no quotes of what he is said to have "spoken". Very strange.
It wasn't like he hung around with people, going to bed getting up and eating breakfast, and so on. Each writer wrote about the things they thought important, Luke in his gospel as well as Acts and all of the others too.