Alternative treatments for blood transfusions...

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, take the word abstain for what it says - don't eat or drink blood. In what year did the WTBS start adding "blood transfusions" to the biblical prohibition of consuming blood? In the 1870s?

FMF it was 1944 when they started this non-sense



Manny

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
child comes into the ER, he has been in an accident. lost X% of his blood. what safer course of action would you recommend? he will die without blood in 10 minutes.

If youd actually READ any of those links, you have the answer.

Originally posted by galveston75
If youd actually READ any of those links, you have the answer.

So far medically there is no substitution for blood or it's parts......So you really have no clue except spouting and believing in the mindless drivel from the Watchtower which has no basis in reality or with the bible and it's true intent .



Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
If youd actually READ any of those links, you have the answer.

Right, so a parent is frantic over her child's life; the child is bleeding to death the doctor says "the child needs a transfussion now or it will die" and you expect....what?? You expect that parent to say "err no thank you doctor is there an alternative?" Is this what you would do? Suppose the "alternatives" were not available to YOUR child at that moment - would you say "no let him die"?

You lot are absolutely barking mad. Actually you are not, you are trapped in a horrible cult and I feel desperately sorry for you to be honest.

Originally posted by divegeester
You lot are absolutely barking mad. Actually you are not, you are trapped in a horrible cult and I feel desperately sorry for you to be honest.

Just as a matter or interest. If you had a choice between letting your child die and doing something you believe (as part of your religion) is totally against Gods will, what would you do?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Just as a matter or interest. If you had a choice between letting your child die and doing something you believe (as part of your religion) is totally against Gods will, what would you do?

I would go against what my religion taught as God's will without a moments hesitation.

I wonder if Galvanisation would give his own blood to save his child's life?

If he wouldn't, then he should not be a parent.

'Selfish, unto the end, I say.' But maybe he likes to hide in a world of child sexual molestation, as that is ok in his JW world, for the children should "forgive" the sinners, sorry - their brethren, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and even their own parents' ...

Do you get off, on her, Galvanisation? Your bible, I mean.

-m.

Originally posted by mikelom
I wonder if Galvanisation would give his own blood to save his child's life?

If he wouldn't, then he should not be a parent.

'Selfish, unto the end, I say.' But maybe he likes to hide in a world of child sexual molestation, as that is ok in his JW world, for the children should "forgive" the sinners, sorry - their brethren, aunts, uncles, grandparents ...[text shortened]... ir own parents' ...

Do you get off, on her, Galvanisation? Your bible, I mean.

-m.

I have asked this question in this forum before; be prepared for a long-winded convoluted answer [if at all] spanning several pages and containing more avoidance than a celebrity's tax return.

Originally posted by galveston75
Protect your family....


http://en.az24.info/blood-transfusions-alternatives-treatments.html

http://www.noblood.org/

ttp://www.noblood.org/ask-professional/4273-anemia-blood-transfusion-alternatives/

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/TreatmentTypes/BloodProductDonationandTransfusion/blood-product-donation-and-transfusi ...[text shortened]... /www.testigosdejehova.org/e/19990308/article_01.htm

http://www.medscape.com/index/list_3264_0

is it true that that j.w's used to also preach that the use of vaccinations were against gods will, but then changed their minds 30yrs later when the overwhelming evidence showed how good vaccinations were?

Originally posted by divegeester
I would go against what my religion taught as God's will without a moments hesitation.

So you don't really believe what you claim to believe? Or you are simply not logical when it comes to your children? Or something else?
I just noticed that you didn't say you would go against what you believed, you said you would go against what your religion teaches. That is subtly different from what I actually asked.
Note that Abraham was given an even harder choice, yet chose the opposite to you.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So you don't really believe what you claim to believe? Or you are simply not logical when it comes to your children? Or something else?
I just noticed that you didn't say you would go against what you believed, you said you would go against what your religion teaches. That is subtly different from what I actually asked.
Note that Abraham was given an even harder choice, yet chose the opposite to you.

It's a fair question.

I would go against anything religious I believed or otherwise believed, deny God existed, claim to be an atheist, dress up in a tutu and pretend to be gay if I knew it would save the life of someone I loved.

Originally posted by divegeester
How's that for you?

An honest answer.
But I don't understand it. Why do you place such a high value on the lives of your loved ones? Do you not believe in life after death? Is your belief in God only partial? Or is it just your emotional response that overrides the logic of the situation? (ie you will save their lives even if it doesn't make sense).

Originally posted by twhitehead
An honest answer.
But I don't understand it. Why do you place such a high value on the lives of your loved ones? Do you not believe in life after death? Is your belief in God only partial? Or is it just your emotional response that overrides the logic of the situation? (ie you will save their lives even if it doesn't make sense).

I modified my post as is sound petulant and it wasn't meant to be.

It's simple; I don't know for absolute sure that God exists and nor does anyone else, but I have a measure of faith(that's what faith is for actually filling in the lack of absolute knowledge).

That measure of faith does not extend to allowing a loved one died for some as irrational as a doctrine about blood or even the denial of the God I have that faith in.

Even if I did know absolutely that God existed as described in my faith I'd still not let them die if I could prevent it. Why should someone die because a god exists.

Originally posted by galveston75
If youd actually READ any of those links, you have the answer.

it is a defining feature of this forum, that reasoning adults are required to debate scientific facts as if they are open to debate, simply because fundamentalist nutjobs like yourself are unable to believe anything other than what their dogma dictates.


we debate noah's flood, a young earth, evolution, genetics, even though it is proven beyond any reasonable doubt that noah's flood didn't happen, a young earth is impossible, evolution is an established scientific fact and so on. there can be no debate, you either understand evolution or you don't, there is no believing it. you either understand geology, physics, chemistry, genetics, etc, or you don't, and anyone of your watchtower "scientists" are from the latter category.


now you dare come and claim blood transfusions, a medical practice that saves countless lives, is useless? that we should all abandon it based on an idiotic religious belief, that is not even god's will, from a book all Christians have ceased to follow it and the jewish simply ignore it? how insane are you, on a scale of 1 to religious nutjob?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Just as a matter or interest. If you had a choice between letting your child die and doing something you believe (as part of your religion) is totally against Gods will, what would you do?

it is pointless to ask him that, because in your hypothesis, he is barking mad. the more important question is directed at the authorities and goes a little like "how long until the social services come and take away the child from an unfit parent". assuming the child recovers from his life saving medical procedures which the doctor should be allowed and required to perform despite the nutjob parent's wishes