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Originally posted by scottishinnz
Because it is an explanation of the way that bodies are attracted to other bodies.

For more detail;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_theories_of_gravitation
May be you don't know what a theory is. A theory is: An unproven conjecture. An expectation of what should happen, barring unforeseen circumstances. A coherent statement or set of statements that attempts to explain observed phenomena. A logical structure that enables one to deduce the possible results of every experiment that falls within its purview. A field of study attempting to exhaustively describe a particular class of constructs. Or set of axioms together with all statements derivable from them.
Gravity is not a theory because we can see it every day. What makes you from floating into outer space? What makes an apple fall from a tree? GRAVITY! You need to go back to school.

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Originally posted by crazyfox
May be you don't know what a theory is. A theory is: An unproven conjecture. An expectation of what should happen, barring unforeseen circumstances. A coherent statement or set of statements that attempts to explain observed phenomena. A logical structure that enables one to deduce the possible results of every experiment that falls within its purview. ...[text shortened]... nto outer space? What makes an apple fall from a tree? GRAVITY! You need to go back to school.
Go and look it up.


Idea;

# Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity.
# An opinion, conviction, or principle: has some strange political ideas.
# A plan, scheme, or method.
# The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project under budget.
# A notion; a fancy.

Hypothesis;

1. A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation.
2. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or investigation; an assumption.
3. The antecedent of a conditional statement.

Theory

(scientific)

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

(popular usage)

An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.


So, you see, from a scientific point of view, you are absolutely wrong. And, I have no need to go back to school - I'm perfectly happy with my PhD, what about you?

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Originally posted by crazyfox
why do you say that?
Your most recent post provides a better explanation than I ever could.

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Originally posted by crazyfox
May be you don't know what a theory is. A theory is: An unproven conjecture. An expectation of what should happen, barring unforeseen circumstances. A coherent statement or set of statements that attempts to explain observed phenomena. A logical structure that enables one to deduce the possible results of every experiment that falls within its purview. ...[text shortened]... nto outer space? What makes an apple fall from a tree? GRAVITY! You need to go back to school.
Actually, wait a second - I just saw this!

What makes you from floating into outer space?

Beautiful man, just beautiful.

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
Actually, wait a second - I just saw this!

[b]What makes you from floating into outer space?


Beautiful man, just beautiful.[/b]
Thank you!

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
Go and look it up.


Idea;

# Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity.
# An opinion, conviction, or principle: has some strange political ideas.
# A plan, scheme, or method.
# The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project unde ...[text shortened]... ng. And, I have no need to go back to school - I'm perfectly happy with my PhD, what about you?
You have a Phd! I'm sorry that I made a comment that you need to go back to school.

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Originally posted by crazyfox
You have a Phd! I'm sorry that I made a comment that you need to go back to school.
The PhD is irrespective. The point is that gravity, evolution, relativity, the big bang are all theories. They are all explanations of the state of the universe, and they have all been rigourously tested and retested. They are as robust as anything else we know - yet they are all, and will always remain, tentative, in that new information could at any time disprove them. For example, if you did jump off a building and didn't fall down (without any good reason) then gravity would have to be re-thought.

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
The PhD is irrespective. The point is that gravity, evolution, relativity, the big bang are all theories. They are all explanations of the state of the universe, and they have all been rigourously tested and retested. They are as robust as anything else we know - yet they are all, and will always remain, tentative, in that new information could at an ...[text shortened]... and didn't fall down (without any good reason) then gravity would have to be re-thought.
I agree. What else can we talk about?

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Originally posted by crazyfox
I agree. What else can we talk about?
Well, the thread is about "alernatives to evolution", so if you disagree with it, then you should post on the topic.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
You claimed that most books contradict themselves at some point and that makes it ok for the Bible to do so. I asked for an example in a particular book that is relevant to the topic at hand. I'll give you some time though, you likely haven't read Origin of Species.
You should read what I wrote, quote it exactly, I did not say that
most of the books contradict themselves.
Kelly

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Originally posted by Nemesio
On this issue -- that the universe is either uncreated or came
from nothing -- I agree that the scientist must concede that s/he has
faith indistinguishable from a theist or must profess agnosticism.

That does not extend to the whole of science, however, where
one must have 'faith' that gravity will be present tomorrow, or that
t ...[text shortened]... ope has a consistent trajectory,
or that the speed of light has remained constant.

Nemesio
Well tomorrow if we don't float up into the air as the planet falls apart
because gravity went away our faith will be justified, personally I don't
even think or worry about gravity doing that. As far as the speed of
light goes how would you know? Decay we can monitor like we do
gravity it is here to look at, light on the other hand could be going
through changes and at the rate it moves it could be difficult to gauge.
Kelly

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
The Universe.

Your entire question is naive and shows your illogical tendancies. The Big Bang was the beginning of time. Yet you asked a time dependant question. Your entire question makes no sense.
Okay
Kelly

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Originally posted by scottishinnz
But your question doesn't make sense. Perhaps you'd like me to provide you with ten peer reviewed publications showing 2+2=4 as well? Your question is time dependant - time didn't exist until AFTER the big bang. There is only one logical conclusion.
You were here before the BB to know time wasn't occuring?
How much of nothing was occuring before the start of everything
occuring? 🙂
You were monitoring it?
If the BB was the start, before the start there was, a holding pattern?
No wait that would be something!
Kelly

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Originally posted by KellyJay
You should read what I wrote, quote it exactly, I did not say that
most of the books contradict themselves.
Kelly

Life is like that, I'd be willing to bet that many of the books we look
at can have that problem from time to time, even if they really do
not disagree with itself, it doesn't mean our thinking would lead us to
believe that is the case.


To be honest looking at it again I don't have a clue what the hell you are trying to verbalise. It's like Lassie trying to tell us that Timmy is in the well again. Except with less monotony.

However, to me that first sentence says, "Most books we look at disagree with themselves.".

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
[b]
Life is like that, I'd be willing to bet that many of the books we look
at can have that problem from time to time, even if they really do
not disagree with itself, it doesn't mean our thinking would lead us to
believe that is the case.


To be honest looking at it again I don't have a clue what the hell you are trying to verbalise. It's like ...[text shortened]... owever, to me that first sentence says, "Most books we look at disagree with themselves.".[/b]
Well to be honest, that would be a nice change from you, being
honest. Even the when you highlight the words I did you use, you put
quotes around words I didn't say. I'm not suprised you lack the ability
to understand what I wrote, since you cannot even quote it correctly in
two attempts. To grab my meaning use my words not the ones you
want to claim I said.
Kelly