Originally posted by dj2beckerYou are mixing up the meanings of the words. There is the ethical meaning where say murder is 'wrong' and there is the mathematical meaning where 2+2=5 is 'wrong'. The ethical meaning evolved. The mathematical meaning did not and that is the one you have asked him to show had evolved. Simple. It didn't.
By saying that Kelly is 'wrong' you are implying that you are 'right'. You were making an absolute truth claim. In light of evolutionary theory, explain how 'right' and 'wrong' evolved, and how you know that you are right and Kelly is wrong.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadSo things only evovle when it suits you?
You are mixing up the meanings of the words. There is the ethical meaning where say murder is 'wrong' and there is the mathematical meaning where 2+2=5 is 'wrong'. The ethical meaning evolved. The mathematical meaning did not and that is the one you have asked him to show had evolved. Simple. It didn't.
Why then would some things evolve and other things not?
Originally posted by dj2beckerHe just explained that. If something is an absolute truth (2+2 = 4) then it didn't evolve. There was never a time when 2+2 = 3.9 or whatever.
So things only evovle when it suits you?
Why then would some things evolve and other things not?
However, an ethical truth? That (probably) evolved over time.
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Originally posted by AgergAs you were arguing from the stance that there is no absolute truth, which is self defeating to start off with, you were the one arguing in circles.
ah jeez!!!
Firstly, my usage of the word "NO" was referring to a different question (look carefully and you'll see that I quoted this different question)
Secondly, this statement of yours is a [b]*misguided* follow up to the question: Do you believe that absolute truth exists? giving an answer of "no" (even though I didn't actually give it) here ...[text shortened]... /board/showthread.php?threadid=53463&page=3
I don't want to play the same game twice!😴[/b]
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Originally posted by XanthosNZBefore I respond to you, answer my question:
He just explained that. If something is an absolute truth (2+2 = 4) then it didn't evolve. There was never a time when 2+2 = 3.9 or whatever.
However, an ethical truth? That (probably) evolved over time.
By saying that Kelly is 'wrong' you are implying that you are 'right'. You were making an absolute truth claim. In light of evolutionary theory, explain how 'right' and 'wrong' evolved, and how you know that you are right and Kelly is wrong.
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou asked that question in reply to a post where I said nothing other than that I couldn't understand what Kelly was saying. So, what time that I've said Kelly is wrong are you referring to?
Before I respond to you, answer my question:
By saying that Kelly is 'wrong' you are implying that you are 'right'. You were making an absolute truth claim. In light of evolutionary theory, explain how 'right' and 'wrong' evolved, and how you know that you are right and Kelly is wrong.
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Originally posted by XanthosNZOriginally posted by KellyJay
You asked that question in reply to a post where I said nothing other than that I couldn't understand what Kelly was saying. So, what time that I've said Kelly is wrong are you referring to?
You post how and where and when you want to post, I'll do the same.
Conversations take many twists and turns on and off topic, and some
times they go off and come back on, you want to be forum monitor
get a job as one.
Kelly
You said:
Fine, bring up your damn Evolution = Murder point if you wish but just watch when everyone tells you that you're wrong. As they always do because you always are.
Originally posted by dj2beckerSo you want me to explain why Kelly is wrong? Here's the answer. Because he is. He's always been wrong and he probably always will be.
Originally posted by KellyJay
You post how and where and when you want to post, I'll do the same.
Conversations take many twists and turns on and off topic, and some
times they go off and come back on, you want to be forum monitor
get a job as one.
Kelly
You said:
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Fine, bring up your damn Evolution = Murder point if you wish but j ...[text shortened]... tch when everyone tells you that you're wrong. As they always do because you always are.
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Originally posted by XanthosNZMaybe if you take off those sun-glasses and pull up those rocket-ship jocks, you will read better...
So you want me to explain why Kelly is wrong? Here's the answer. Because he is. He's always been wrong and he probably always will be.
This is what I asked:
"By saying that Kelly is 'wrong' you are implying that you are 'right'. You were making an absolute truth claim. In light of evolutionary theory, explain how 'right' and 'wrong' evolved, and how you know that you are right and Kelly is wrong."
Originally posted by dj2beckerFirstly saying that Kelly is wrong is not the same as saying I am correct (except in certain cases). So how do I know that Kelly is wrong? Because all the evidence says he is.
Maybe if you take off those sun-glasses you will read better...
This is what I asked:
[b]"By saying that Kelly is 'wrong' you are implying that you are 'right'. You were making an absolute truth claim. In light of evolutionary theory, explain how 'right' and 'wrong' evolved, and how you know that you are right and Kelly is wrong."[/b]
Any single piece of evidence saying Kelly is wrong is enough to say he is wrong. And yet, there are piles and piles of it, some of which has been provided for you in the past (so no I will not be sent on a goose chase by you).
All evidence says that Evolution is the absolute truth and claiming otherwise makes you wrong.
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Originally posted by XanthosNZTwo different people can look at the same evidence and reach two vastly different conclusions. The way in which they interpret the evidence will be dependent on their world view.
Firstly saying that Kelly is wrong is not the same as saying I am correct (except in certain cases). So how do I know that Kelly is wrong? Because all the evidence says he is.
Any single piece of evidence saying Kelly is wrong is enough to say he is wrong. And yet, there are piles and piles of it, some of which has been provided for you in the past (so n ...[text shortened]...
All evidence says that Evolution is the absolute truth and claiming otherwise makes you wrong.
Your world view, by the way, has no coherent answers to start off with.