Originally posted by twhitehead
[b]If we can get to an eternal destination , then surely we have always been there.
It doesn't follow.
And the only sense I can understand 'eternal ' is having 'always existed'.
Well that is your inability to understand and you shouldn't push that on to other people and insist that they mean what you want them to not what they ...[text shortened]... rity of theists who talk of an eternal afterlife also believe they began at birth or conception.[/b]
Not putting anything on anyone.
Man are you hard boiled, then again after my trip to debates I can see why. People bickering, seeing who has the best insults,etc.
Information is poo-pooed, there is no sign of anyone actually wanting to work things out or make things better.
I'm sure you know that I am not "vast majority of theists", and the way you ark up at a so-called alternative way of viewing eternity is certainly not in the spirit of my op.
To begin at nothing, to then possibly go on living forever (as we understand it physically,I presume), doesn't seem right to me.
This ,(that we are asleep to our real nature), is an idea I have tossed around myself and, because it has stood the test of time I thought I might put it here for maybe some further insight...or not.
Concepts like 'Mind",ie the mind of 'god' , or interdimensionalism are more than new age musings.
They may turn out to be new age musings, but how do you know?
I suggest that the nature of ourselves may shed some light on the actual answer. After all I know of no one who knows what they are.