An example of scientific speculation gone wrong.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Betelgeuse is the star on the right shoulder (left side as you look at it) of the constellation Orion.
It is visibly red, (on a clear dark night sky) and if it were in the centre of our solar system its surface
(in as much as a star has a definable surface) would be around the orbit of Jupiter.

It is so big that despite being around 620 LY away it a ...[text shortened]...

But it is one of the best known candidates for the next star to go supernova in this galaxy.

As far as I understand it, we (Earth) are actually "off the beaten track" as far as positioning is concerned withing our solar system.
We are not even near the centre of the galaxy let alone the universe

If other races were to travel huge distances then we would have to develop technology that warps time and space so we can travel faster than the speed of light.

Anyway, we haven't even discovered the mysteries of our own planet or the other planets on our star system . I think we will make huge paradigm changing discoveries in the near future which will reveal that there is more to the planets around us than meets the eye. (other dimensions)

Originally posted by sonhouse
What is your idea of a 'minor fiery body'? Can it give a planet like Earth heat? Are you saying there is no life anywhere else in the universe?

Common sense would tell me if earth was close to a minor fiery body then there would be some corresponding heat.

I have not mentioned life in the universe but since you have brought it up...........there is definitely life in the universe and the Vedas explain the different levels of intelligent life in the lower, middle and higher planetary systems within this universe.

For example the demigods live in the higher planetary systems in our universe.

Vedas also explain that the universe we are in - is just one universe out of countless universes in the material cosmic manifestation.

Vedas also explain how Lord Brahma enters into each universe and is the engineer of the construct within each universe.

Lord Brahma is the creator.

Lord Vishnu is the maintainer.

Lord Siva is the annihilator.

While all this is going on - the Supreme Personality of Godhead is in the spiritual world enjoying with his eternal spiritual associates.

True religion is the means to return to the spiritual world and also become an associate of God.

This material world is bad dream and is not our true home.

Human life is meant to develop our forgotten relationship with God....nothing less.

This world is simply a world of suffering with birth, disease, old-age and death to look forward to.

The spiritual world which is our true home is eternal, full of knowledge and bliss.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Betelgeuse is the star on the right shoulder (left side as you look at it) of the constellation Orion.
It is visibly red, (on a clear dark night sky) and if it were in the centre of our solar system its surface
(in as much as a star has a definable surface) would be around the orbit of Jupiter.

It is so big that despite being around 620 LY away it a ...[text shortened]...

But it is one of the best known candidates for the next star to go supernova in this galaxy.

I'm totally happy with the idea it is 600 light years away🙂

It might ALREADY have gone nova, we won't know for hundreds of years!

Originally posted by Agerg
So our solar system lies smack bang in the centre of the universe then. So we're (as non believers) closed minded if we maintain our skepticism about all purported sources of authority [b]barring yours, yet you are open minded with your view that in an unfathomably large universe there exists only one tiny region of it that bears any real significance - n ...[text shortened]... er than it's the most important big bright thing there ever was an ever will be anywhere!???[/b]

The Vedas give much information about our universe and what's in it.

Giving names, dimensions, distances etc..

However it cannot give every detail because it is so big. and it would require a trillion books to record everything.

But it generalizes in a sufficient manner to satisfy the most curious.

Originally posted by Dasa
Common sense would tell me if earth was close to a minor fiery body then there would be some corresponding heat.

I have not mentioned life in the universe but since you have brought it up...........there is definitely life in the universe and the Vedas explain the different levels of intelligent life in the lower, middle and higher planetary systems within t ...[text shortened]... world is simply a world of suffering with birth, disease, old-age and death to look forward to.

Why look forward to anything if you preach an eternal philosophy?

Originally posted by Dasa
The Vedas give much information about our universe and what's in it.

Giving names, dimensions, distances etc..

However it cannot give every detail because it is so big. and it would require a trillion books to record everything.

But it generalizes in a sufficient manner to satisfy the most curious.

What about the absolute closest stars like Alpha Centauri and Sirius? Surely they are mentioned in the book and distances given? They are next door neighbors cosmologically speaking.

oh my herd of goats! this stuff is worse than christian creationism.

the vedas are straight from the stone ages.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
oh my herd of goats! this stuff is worse than christian creationism.

the vedas are straight from the stone ages.

And like christianity they claim to be the ONLY true religion.

Here is a link to Vedas Astronomy, talking about the sun and planets:

"The Sürya-siddhänta treats the earth as a globe fixed in space, and it describes the seven traditional planets (the sun, the moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn) as moving in orbits around the earth. It also describes the orbit of the planet Rähu, but it makes no mention of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. The main function of the Sürya-siddhänta is to provide rules allowing us to calculate the positions of these planets at any given time. Given a particular date, expressed in days, hours, and minutes since the beginning of Kali-yuga, one can use these rules to compute the direction in the sky in which each of the seven planets will be found at that time. All of the other calculations described above are based on these fundamental rules."

So the cosmology and astronomy are fundamentally based on a geocentric universe, the universe revolves around the planet Earth.

Right away they are in trouble at the core of the Vedas on astronomy.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I'm totally happy with the idea it is 600 light years away🙂

It might ALREADY have gone nova, we won't know for hundreds of years!

or it might already have gone supernova and we find out tomorrow :-)
The joys of light travel time:-)

EDIT:
And its good its 600ish ly away... cos when it goes bang, being close would hurt.
In the, there goes the biosphere kind of way.

Originally posted by googlefudge
or it might already have gone supernova and we find out tomorrow :-)
The joys of light travel time:-)

EDIT:
And its good its 600ish ly away... cos when it goes bang, being close would hurt.
In the, there goes the biosphere kind of way.

That's what I was talking about. It could cause trouble if it was within 200 light years of Earth but at 600 I think we are safe if it offs itself. The main question is how much hydrogen does it have left to burn? When it runs out the fit will hit the shan!

Originally posted by sonhouse
And like christianity they claim to be the ONLY true religion.

Here is a link to Vedas Astronomy, talking about the sun and planets:

"The Sürya-siddhänta treats the earth as a globe fixed in space, and it describes the seven traditional planets (the sun, the moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn) as moving in orbits around the earth. It also ...[text shortened]... und the planet Earth.

Right away they are in trouble at the core of the Vedas on astronomy.

Where are you getting your information from? Surya Siddhanta has been translated by hundreds of unqualified persons.

The original Sanskrit version of Surya Siddhanta is perfect - but who is getting hold of it and attempting to decipher it is anyone's guess.

Actually there is practically no qualified person to completely and accurately translate it and work with it.

Srimad Bhagavatam 5.20.43

anda-madhya-gatah suryodyav-abhumyor yad antaram

suryanda-golayor madhye kotyah syuh panca-vimsatih

SYNONYMS

anda-madhya-gatah -- situated in the center of the universe; suryah -- the sun globe; dyav-abhumyoh -- the two planetary systems Bhurloka and Bhuvarloka; yat -- which; antaram -- in between; surya -- of the sun; anda-golayoh -- and the globe of the universe; madhye -- in the middle; kotyah -- groups of ten million; syuh -- are; panca-vimsatih -- twenty-five.

TRANSLATION

The sun is situated [vertically] in the middle of the universe, in the area between Bhurloka and Bhuvarloka, which is called antariksa, outer space. The distance between the sun and the circumference of the universe is twenty-five koti yojanas [two billion miles].

PURPORT

The word koti means ten million, and a yojana is eight miles. The diameter of the universe is fifty koti yojanas (four billion miles). Therefore, since the sun is in the middle of the universe, the distance between the sun and the edge of the universe is calculated to be twenty-five koti yojanas (two billion miles).

Originally posted by Dasa
Where are you getting your information from?

It is poor form when posters don't cite their sources isn't it. You tell him.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
oh my herd of goats! this stuff is worse than christian creationism.

the vedas are straight from the stone ages.

At least Dasa is right about the sun. God only created one sun but many,
many stars. The fact that some scientist may call a star a sun does not
make it a sun.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God only created one sun but many,
many stars. The fact that some scientist may call a star a sun does not
make it a sun.

It does, however, remind us of the fact that The Sun is a star and that the Solar System is not the only solar system.

Originally posted by RJHinds
At least Dasa is right about the sun. God only created one sun but many,
many stars. The fact that some scientist may call a star a sun does not
make it a sun.

Oh no! Your getting confused about definitions again. The fact that a scientist (or anyone else for that matter) calls something by a given name, does make it (for the purpose of communication with that scientist) something by that name.
So if a scientist calls a star a sun, (or a pink unicorn), then while conversing with that scientist it does make the star a sun (or pink unicorn).