1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    15 Jan '14 06:20
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
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    15 Jan '14 08:26
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
    Your "anti-religion" category is similar to Hitchens' antitheist; Bill Maher also expresses disdain for religion per se. Being against atheists or theists as people reveals immaturity and low self esteem. Personality attacks often happen as retaliation for being either ignored or threatened. Face it: human beings need frequent contact and recognition face to face and online.

    "A noted critic of religion and an antitheist, he said that a person "could be an atheist and wish that belief in god were correct", but that "an antitheist, a term I'm trying to get into circulation, is someone who is relieved that there's no evidence for such an assertion." According to Hitchens, the concept of a god or a supreme being is a totalitarian belief that destroys individual freedom, and that free expression and scientific discovery should replace religion as a means of teaching ethics and defining human civilisation. His anti-religion polemic, New York Times Bestseller, God is not Great - How Religion Poisons Everything, sold over 500,000." -Hitchens (wiki biographical summary) Thread 157452 (Page 2)
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    15 Jan '14 08:33
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
    quite the opposite, in fact i feel sorry for atheists i wish all atheist believed in a creator, if i had my way you will all be catholic.
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    15 Jan '14 09:06
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
    haaaaaaaave you met sonhouse?


    yes, the correct stance should be for either side to just ignore the others and treat them by their actions. meaning you ignore the muslim that goes to the mosque to pray every day but you smack westboro asholes in the face for protesting soldiers' funerals. however there are people on either side of the fence who just can't deal with the opposing stance.
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    15 Jan '14 09:29
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Your "anti-religion" category is similar ..
    😴
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    15 Jan '14 09:32
    Originally posted by tim88
    ... if i had my way you will all be catholic.
    That suggests a problem; the fact that you would will others to think as you do.


    That's dangerous.
    And a good argument against religion.
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    15 Jan '14 09:33
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    yes, the correct stance should be for either side to just
    ignore the others and treat them by their actions.
    .. if only ...
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    Maybe I'm wrong, ...


    Could actually be.
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    15 Jan '14 16:47
    Originally posted by tim88
    quite the opposite, in fact i feel sorry for atheists i wish all atheist believed in a creator, if i had my way you will all be catholic.
    Would you use brainwashing to accomplish this goal?
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    15 Jan '14 18:27
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
    I've certainly noticed an upsurge in anti-atheist sentiment in this forum of late. People do love to publicise their bigotry don't they?
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    15 Jan '14 18:341 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right; but I feel that theists are against atheists (as people) but atheists are not against anyone.

    Some atheists are anti-religion (and I find myself going to that side) but
    all in all I don't care what other people think so long as their beliefs do not
    impact on my life or the lives of others.

    Thoughts?
    If you see religion as an entirely human-created institution and see all human institutions as subject to flaws, people who see (their) religion as divinely ordained and guided will see your criticisms as blasphemy.

    But to a non-theist, there is a distinction between being anti-theism and being anti-religion. A theist can be anti-religion. However the theist who believes that their religion is divinely ordained and guided will disagree wrt their religion but will agree wrt other religions. We see that on this forum.

    I believe we need to distinguish between anti-theism and anti-religion.
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    15 Jan '14 20:33
    Originally posted by JS357
    If you see religion as an entirely human-created institution and see all human institutions as subject to flaws, people who see (their) religion as divinely ordained and guided will see your criticisms as blasphemy.

    But to a non-theist, there is a distinction between being anti-theism and being anti-religion. A theist can be anti-religion. However the theis ...[text shortened]... e that on this forum.

    I believe we need to distinguish between anti-theism and anti-religion.
    "wrt"?

    It's approaching my bedtime or I might have a better chance at guessing what this means.
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    15 Jan '14 21:25
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    "wrt"?

    It's approaching my bedtime or I might have a better chance at guessing what this means.
    Sorry, usually it's capitalized WRT which means "with respect to."
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    15 Jan '14 22:10
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    That suggests a problem; the fact that you would will others to think as you do.


    That's dangerous.
    And a good argument against religion.
    is it dangerous when sonhouse wishes a world free of religion. or just me?
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    15 Jan '14 22:46
    Originally posted by tim88
    is it dangerous when sonhouse wishes a world free of religion. or just me?
    If Sonhouse is dangerous for wishing for a world free of religion, John Lennon's Imagine should scare the silly putty out of you.
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