anything is possible

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
there are two scenarios, one in which god exists, and one in which god does not exist. where god exists, he must have been created by something, he can not possibly have created himself. but he is god and he can do anything, so he created the universe. in the second scenario, there is the big bang, but it had to come from somewhere. at some point in ti "possible". saying that god is not possible is also an argument against oneself, in itself.

Saying that God had to come from somewhere assumes that God had to have a beginning. However, this assumption is based upon the notion that time is eternal as is the material universe in which time exists. Therefore, if the material universe was created and had a beginning then so did time have a starting point. In such a scenerio God then does not require a beginning because he IS the beginning. Time is the only phenonmenon that had to have a beginning.

Originally posted by whodey
Saying that God had to come from somewhere assumes that God had to have a beginning. However, this assumption is based upon the notion that time is eternal as is the material universe in which time exists. Therefore, if the material universe was created and had a beginning then so did time have a starting point. In such a scenerio God then does not require ...[text shortened]... ginning because he IS the beginning. Time is the only phenonmenon that had to have a beginning.

but not necessarily a cause.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
It's called Minkowski SpaceTime. It's a derivation from the Theory of Relativity.

Where exactly is this "elsewhere" you allude to? Somewhere outside the universe?

anything is possible 😕

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
anything is possible 😕

Try selling that to your bank manager when he asks you how you'll repay your loans.