11 May 11
The same way our Creator was not obligated to create this
universe and to create us, we are, created to His image, also
morally free to choose amongst different possible social
arrangements, i.e. rules.
To what extent can we choose, though, against His commands?
Why do we create rules to restrict our own moral freedoms?
11 May 11
Originally posted by Seitseme thinks because morality is relative to Gods revealed will, thus we are endowed with
The same way our Creator was not obligated to create this
universe and to create us, we are, created to His image, also
morally free to choose amongst different possible social
arrangements, i.e. rules.
To what extent can we choose, though, against His commands?
Why do we create rules to restrict our own moral freedoms?
the faculty of conscience, which being formed in Gods image, i.e we have a sense of
justice and know when its transgressed. This appears to me to mean that we have
two points of reference, the conscience and the word of God and its the adherents goal
to train his conscience to become more streamlined with Gods word, this will naturally
have an effect on what is morally acceptable and what is not, for both act like umpires
in rendering decisions. we of course must add to this secular laws which we are also
obliged to keep as long as they do not transgress the word of God or the conscience.
These are therefore also relative.
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11 May 11
Originally posted by SeitseDo you have any particular part of Thomas' writing in mind? I am not entirely sure what his thoughts are on the relationship between law and morality. I do not think he would suggest that man has the freedom to alter natural moral laws, that is laws known by an act of right reason of the nature and telos of an act. This rests solely with God. Man, however, in imitation of God's moral authority can set up rules and laws, everything from taxes to road laws, for the welfare of society. These rules themselves are not intrinsically moral (driving on the left hand side of the road is not in itself immoral) but can take on a moral significance (driving on the left hand side of the road in America is against traffic law and therefore immoral.) That is just my speculation.
The same way our Creator was not obligated to create this
universe and to create us, we are, created to His image, also
morally free to choose amongst different possible social
arrangements, i.e. rules.
To what extent can we choose, though, against His commands?
Why do we create rules to restrict our own moral freedoms?
12 May 11
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Originally posted by Seitse"He"gave us enough free will to work out our own predictaments, individually and collectively, (hopefully in that odrer too 🙂 ).
The same way our Creator was not obligated to create this
universe and to create us, we are, created to His image, also
morally free to choose amongst different possible social
arrangements, i.e. rules.
To what extent can we choose, though, against His commands?
Why do we create rules to restrict our own moral freedoms?
To choose willy niily according to ones whims and egos desires makes for "mixed" results. (* these rsults may change depending on if the choice is repeated often or not.
To allign your choice with this supposed "God" , ( which to me says "to allign your conciousness with ones mind on the best possible outcome for all sentient beings", or some such words more or less to that effect...)the meaning may be discussed if you wish,..Anyway, where was I? Ah yes : To allign your thinking with gods thinking is usually the best possible outcome in every case. Sometime the results are felt immediately , other times later, but rest assured if you have invested some true energy into some cool project
12 May 11
Originally posted by Conrau KSumma Theologiae I-II qq. 90-97
Do you have any particular part of Thomas' writing in mind? I am not entirely sure what his thoughts are on the relationship between law and morality. I do not think he would suggest that man has the freedom to alter natural moral laws, that is laws known by an act of right reason of the nature and telos of an act. This rests solely with God. Man, however, ...[text shortened]... he road in America is against traffic law and therefore immoral.) That is just my speculation.
Once you're done with it, jump to qq. 98-105, which is less known
though very enlightening.