are athiests real?
15 Oct '08 20:35this question has long plagued me, considering that it is well understood that humans definitely have a spiritual side. For example, we have a universal conscience in which we try to determine through our perceptions what is good and wrong, we are endowed for example with the capacity to love, which we need and thrive upon, we have a sense of justice etc etc. we can appreciate things like art and music, things which are superfluous to our survival, but probably the most damning piece of evidence against a purely material view of the universe is the mathematical probability of life having arisen by chance.
Consider the words of nobel laureate Christian de Duve, “Chance, and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man,” speaking about the origin of life, soup, i have to laugh, was it chicken or Scotch broth.
however, is chance, though, a rational, logical and reasonable explanation for the cause of life? in other words is a purely materialistic, atheistic view of life acceptable, are atheists for real?
consider the mathematics, of the one hundred known amino acids, (we shall of necessity assume that most atheists profess a materialistic view of life, that life has arisen from non-living matter in the form of amino acids which formed the basic building blocks for life in some type of pre-biotic, 'soup', ahem, although I realize that this is a generalization, we do not have time to consider all the nuances of the superstition, ok, where were we, ah yes) only twenty or so are used to make proteins the building blocks of life, and it must be added that all are of a specific type, now back to the organic soup, what is the chance that the correct amino acids would come together to form a protein molecule?
It could be likened to having a big, thoroughly mixed pile containing equal numbers of red jelly beans and white jelly beans, (i like jelly beans) there are also over 100 different varieties of jelly beans (mmm, tasty). Now if you plunged a scoop into this pile, what do you think you would get? to get the beans that represent the basic components of a protein, you would have to scoop up only red ones, no white ones at all!!! and your scoop must contain only 20 varieties of the red jelly beans, and each one must be in a specific, preassigned place in the scoop, wow!
In the world of a little biddy protein, a single mistake in any one of these requirements would cause the protein that is produced to fail to function properly. Would any amount of stirring and scooping and shaking in our hypothetical jelly bean pile have given the right combination? hardly, then how would it have been possible in the hypothetical organic chicken soup? i dunno, and anyhow are atheists for real?
plus, yes there is more the proteins needed for life have very complex molecules so what is the chance of even a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic chicken soup? given our scenario it must be acknowledge to be only one in 10 to the power of 113 (1 followed by 113 zeros). But any event that has one chance in just 10 to the power of 50 (1 followed by 50 zeros) is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening. An idea of the odds, or probability, involved is seen in the fact that the number 10 to the power of 113 is larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the universe! are atheists for real!
Man you think that was damning, well, consider this, some proteins serve as structural materials and others as enzymes, the latter speed up needed chemical reactions in the cell, so without such help, the cell would die. Now not just a few, but 2,000 proteins serving as enzymes are needed for the cell’s activity, gulp i hear you say, what are the chances of obtaining all of these at random? One chance in 10 to the power of 40,000! (1 followed by 40,000 zeros!!!!) a scandalously outrageous outrageously small probability!!! are athiests fro real
you think that after having given consideration to the fact that water is non conducive to the forming of molecules, it is essentially favours depolymerization (it tries to break up big molecules into wee ones) rather than polymerization and the presence of destructive uv light, I find it extremely difficult that atheists are for real!
you would think that having considered the fossil record and the evident spontaneous generation of whole species therein would have been enough to convince even the most ardent of skeptics, but alas no, this superstition has gone forth into the entire inhabited earth, for it is known every where to have been spoken against. Acts 28:22
Consider the words of nobel laureate Christian de Duve, “Chance, and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man,” speaking about the origin of life, soup, i have to laugh, was it chicken or Scotch broth.
however, is chance, though, a rational, logical and reasonable explanation for the cause of life? in other words is a purely materialistic, atheistic view of life acceptable, are atheists for real?
consider the mathematics, of the one hundred known amino acids, (we shall of necessity assume that most atheists profess a materialistic view of life, that life has arisen from non-living matter in the form of amino acids which formed the basic building blocks for life in some type of pre-biotic, 'soup', ahem, although I realize that this is a generalization, we do not have time to consider all the nuances of the superstition, ok, where were we, ah yes) only twenty or so are used to make proteins the building blocks of life, and it must be added that all are of a specific type, now back to the organic soup, what is the chance that the correct amino acids would come together to form a protein molecule?
It could be likened to having a big, thoroughly mixed pile containing equal numbers of red jelly beans and white jelly beans, (i like jelly beans) there are also over 100 different varieties of jelly beans (mmm, tasty). Now if you plunged a scoop into this pile, what do you think you would get? to get the beans that represent the basic components of a protein, you would have to scoop up only red ones, no white ones at all!!! and your scoop must contain only 20 varieties of the red jelly beans, and each one must be in a specific, preassigned place in the scoop, wow!
In the world of a little biddy protein, a single mistake in any one of these requirements would cause the protein that is produced to fail to function properly. Would any amount of stirring and scooping and shaking in our hypothetical jelly bean pile have given the right combination? hardly, then how would it have been possible in the hypothetical organic chicken soup? i dunno, and anyhow are atheists for real?
plus, yes there is more the proteins needed for life have very complex molecules so what is the chance of even a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic chicken soup? given our scenario it must be acknowledge to be only one in 10 to the power of 113 (1 followed by 113 zeros). But any event that has one chance in just 10 to the power of 50 (1 followed by 50 zeros) is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening. An idea of the odds, or probability, involved is seen in the fact that the number 10 to the power of 113 is larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the universe! are atheists for real!
Man you think that was damning, well, consider this, some proteins serve as structural materials and others as enzymes, the latter speed up needed chemical reactions in the cell, so without such help, the cell would die. Now not just a few, but 2,000 proteins serving as enzymes are needed for the cell’s activity, gulp i hear you say, what are the chances of obtaining all of these at random? One chance in 10 to the power of 40,000! (1 followed by 40,000 zeros!!!!) a scandalously outrageous outrageously small probability!!! are athiests fro real
you think that after having given consideration to the fact that water is non conducive to the forming of molecules, it is essentially favours depolymerization (it tries to break up big molecules into wee ones) rather than polymerization and the presence of destructive uv light, I find it extremely difficult that atheists are for real!
you would think that having considered the fossil record and the evident spontaneous generation of whole species therein would have been enough to convince even the most ardent of skeptics, but alas no, this superstition has gone forth into the entire inhabited earth, for it is known every where to have been spoken against. Acts 28:22
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