@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell, an ant cannot know an elephant very well. But it's not zero. The ant feels the tremor of the steps and sees the squashing of its comrades. It might even connect the two thing to one massive being.
I'd say both. Can an ant ever be said to know an elephant? (Even if the elephant tried to make itself known to the ant).
@fmf saidWait. Are you suffering from religiophobia?
Wait. So. You're saying... your religious beliefs cause a supernatural phenomenon in you that enables you to know that your religious beliefs are true, is that it?
In one thread you claim to be interested in discussing people's beliefs, and then in another you turn and mock those that have faith in God.
Hypocrisy anyone?
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@josephw saidIt's was a satirical quip about the circular reasoning that underpins what KellyJay was suggesting. It's not mockery. Indeed, it was a point made with pinpoint accuracy.
In one thread you claim to be interested in discussing people's beliefs, and then in another you turn and mock those that have faith in God.
@josephw saidNot from me. You seem to be using the word "hypocrisy" incorrectly. You mock me constantly about my beliefs - it's ok, it's water of a duck's back. But here you are apparently worried about people supposedly mocking others' beliefs. Maybe you should look up the word "hypocrisy".
Hypocrisy anyone?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidROFL, yeah sure, show God one way or another as if God can be manipulated by us against His will. It will always be on His terms, being God that comes with the position.
It can be scientifically ascertained.
@kellyjay saidIf "God" is a non-human entity rather than a "humanoid" or "superhuman" of some kind, then what does "being manipulated" mean?
ROFL, yeah sure, show God one way or another as if God can be manipulated by us against His will. It will always be on His terms, being God that comes with the position.
@fmf saidNo, that's not all. You perceive yourself as "not religious" because you think "religion" means believing in an actual living creator being.
No, not at all. I'm not religious that's all.
You are mistaken. Religion is man made. Surely, since you are unaware of the existence of a creator being, and deny his existence, you can see that religion must then be man's own invention!?
Clearly, if God doesn't exist, all belief systems and practices are of human origin.
@fmf saidI don't deny mocking you. That's the difference between you and I. But my mocking is in reply to yours.
Not from me. You seem to be using the word "hypocrisy" incorrectly. You mock me constantly about my beliefs - it's ok, it's water of a duck's back. But here you are apparently worried about people supposedly mocking others' beliefs. Maybe you should look up the word "hypocrisy".
@fmf said"...your religious beliefs cause a supernatural phenomenon in you that enables you to know that your religious beliefs are true, is that it?"
Are you going to address this observation, josephw?
It's a bogus question lacking intellectual integrity. It's mocking.
You're hung up on religiosity. Religion has nothing to do with faith in the object of belief.