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@fmf saidYou were a Christian for 20+ years and you really don’t understand that?
"Eternal life is a gift and it's free, but at greater cost than humanly imaginable." ~ a Christian on another thread.
How is it "at greater cost than humanly imaginable"?
Sounds like an attempted sleight-of-hyperbole.
Do you genuinely not know or is this just a thread to initiate discussion on that question?
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@fmf saidDo you know what it’s like to be God?
To Christians:
According to your beliefs, what "cost" is beyond human imagination?
To give up Heaven and lower yourself to the stature of a man and then be reviled by men, whipped like a dog and nailed to a cross - all to save people who despise you?
It’s not humanly imaginable because you’re not God and don’t know what God gave up to leave Heaven and save man, and I doubt you could even imagine sacrificing your life for people who despise you.
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@pb1022 said“For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Do you know what it’s like to be God?
To give up Heaven and lower yourself to the stature of a man and then be reviled by men, whipped like a dog and nailed to a cross - all to save people who despise you?
It’s not humanly imaginable because you’re not God and don’t know what God gave up to leave Heaven and save man, and I doubt you could even imagine sacrificing your life for people who despise you.
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
(Romans 5:7-9)
@pb1022 saidIt does not sound beyond the human imagination at all. It was written by humans. And you are a human explaining it. It takes hardly any imagination whatsoever to imagine what you are describing. I don't see how it is not "humanly imaginable".
Do you know what it’s like to be God?To give up Heaven and lower yourself to the stature of a man and then be reviled by men, whipped like a dog and nailed to a cross - all to save people who despise you?
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@fmf saidSo you can imagine what it’s like to be God and to give up Heaven?
It does not sound beyond the human imagination at all. It was written by humans. And you are a human explaining it. It takes hardly any imagination whatsoever to imagine what you are describing. I don't see how it is not "humanly imaginable".
07 Feb 22
@pb1022 saidWhat I said was I don't find what you are describing to be beyond the human imagination in any way. Given God's supposed indestructibility and omniscience, I don't see how there is an unimaginable "cost" at all.
So you can imagine what it’s like to be God and to give up Heaven?
@pb1022 saidI could imagine sacrificing my life - if it would help - to save the lives of strangers on a train, even if I disliked them, yes. I wouldn't be keen on doing it, but it's certainly not beyond human imagination.
I doubt you could even imagine sacrificing your life for people who despise you.