Atheism as Religion?

Originally posted by KellyJay
We view faith differently.
Kelly

That's a big cop out and you know it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I beg to differ there isn't a central "book" or "scroll" for atheism yet
they share humanistic views of the universe nonetheless. The lack of
central location for doctrine doesn’t mean that common beliefs are
not shared, and even the notion that there has be a common belief
system for everyone in it to be a ‘religion’ isn’t valid in my opinion, we
each ...[text shortened]... would we say
atheistic views need to be united for it to be considered a religion?
Kelly

Okay, so every belief is now a religion. If I share a similar view of the universe as you, we share a religion. Oh, and you'd be surprised how different the different atheists beliefs are!

Originally posted by UzumakiAi
Okay, so every belief is now a religion. If I share a similar view of the universe as you, we share a religion. Oh, and you'd be surprised how different the different atheists beliefs are!

I did not say every belief is a religion, we are people of faith we
walk out our beliefs, our religion is much more than a belief.
Kelly

Originally posted by Starrman
That's a big cop out and you know it.

Really, I don't think so many here and you could be one for all I know
only apply the word 'faith' when speaking about God or gods. I apply
to quite a bit more.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Really, I don't think so many here and you could be one for all I know
only apply the word 'faith' when speaking about God or gods. I apply
to quite a bit more.
Kelly

I think you're confusing faith with belief, but never mind for the moment. Regardless, if you apply it to more than religious faith you must have some way of distinguishing between matters of faith which have justifiable evidence and matters of faith which do not. The matters of faith which have no justifiable evidence, are just invalid, they cannot be considered to be sensical.

Originally posted by Starrman
I think you're confusing faith with belief, but never mind for the moment. Regardless, if you apply it to more than religious faith you must have some way of distinguishing between matters of faith which have justifiable evidence and matters of faith which do not. The matters of faith which have no justifiable evidence, are just invalid, they cannot be considered to be sensical.

Please, justifiable evidence?
The only thing that makes your evidences justifiable is your faith!
It is your starting part, what you bring to the table before you even
start looking at anything!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Please, justifiable evidence?
The only thing that makes your evidences justifiable is your faith!
It is your starting part, what you bring to the table before you even
start looking at anything!
Kelly

Are you denying that I can measure the natural world, but you can provide no measurements for the supernatural?

Originally posted by Starrman
Are you denying that I can measure the natural world, but you can provide no measurements for the supernatural?

I'm not denying you can measure it, but I am denying you can tell
me why and how with just a measurement.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not denying you can measure it, but I am denying you can tell
me why and how with just a measurement.
Kelly

Do you accept that there are some analytic or logical truths which just are true without question?

Originally posted by Starrman
Do you accept that there are some analytic or logical truths which just are true without question?

Yes
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes
Kelly

Do you accept that there are concepts and theories based upon these truths which are true by inference?

Originally posted by Starrman
Do you accept that there are concepts and theories based upon these truths which are true by inference?

I believe things start getting fuzzy in this regard, but yes.
Kelly

Originally posted by Nemesio
I didn't say faith or belief. I said religion.

So, you conclude that everyone has religion or that it is impossible to be without it, right?

Missed this?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe things start getting fuzzy in this regard, but yes.
Kelly

So you think the higher the number of steps from the analytic truths to a theory or claim, the less likely they are to be true? Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow?

Originally posted by Starrman
So you think the higher the number of steps from the analytic truths to a theory or claim, the less likely they are to be true? Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow?

Yes, the more things that have to be counted on the more ways we
can be wrong. Yes to the sun, but my belief yes or no will not alter
what will happen.
Kelly