Originally posted by leedsagainI have and it doesn't say that it is against religion.
However if you refer to the "except religion" bit then I would respectfully ask that you look up the meaning of atheism.
Originally posted by leedsagainthere is nothing rational about atheism. There is nothing rational about a universe w/o a creator and spontaneous creation of matter.
I initiated this club only in frustration that a rational game like Chess did not have more rational thinking clubs.
We are now 10% towards a critical mass, although I don't fully appreciate what that will mean should we get there.
I hope the club can be more than just an anti religion ranting shop. I get so much pleasure personally from the feeling ...[text shortened]... nst fellow free thinking (or are we determinists?) souls (not that souls exist, obviously).
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI know the universe exists. I do not know where it came from, how it started etc. It is rational for me to leave it at that. It would be irrational to start imagining a creator without any form of evidence.
please tell me how it is rational....
Originally posted by twhiteheadcome on twhite, a rational person looks all around him. Evidence of a creator is everywhere you just choose to ingore it so you don't have to consider it. Just look at LIFE, the planets, the tides that come in and go out every day, the sun that rises everyday, the human brain, the mind, etc. Do you really need more evidence than that? I'm not even preaching about a belief in Jesus or christian God, but to not think there is even a higher power is irrational. Saying you have no understanding is irrational considering the evidence of LIFE itself. It's a scientific fact that matter cannot be created from nothing, thus there must be a creator---the only rational answer.
I know the universe exists. I do not know where it came from, how it started etc. It is rational for me to leave it at that. It would be irrational to start imagining a creator without any form of evidence.
I do not know how matter is created, all I know is that it is created and destroyed in what appears to be random fluctuations throughout the universe ...[text shortened]... ternatives or are you one of those people who lives on criticism, but has nothing to contribute?
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenA branch falling off a tree does not need a reason although it may have an explanation.
being rational implies having a reason and/or understanding the reasons. Saying there is no reason, no explanations, and having no understanding of where the universe came from is irrational by definition.
Originally posted by buffalobillmaybe you could explain the origins of the universe. Please, go ahead....
A branch falling off a tree does not need a reason although it may have an explanation.
You don't need a creator to be able to explain the origins of the universe. Anyway, "In the beginning God created ..." is not a reason.