Originally posted by Conrau K
Your definition is too simplistic. What Jesus taught is hardly agreed upon. Firstly, there is the problem of even establishing what Jesus said. Some Christians doubt the canonicity and inspiration of some of Scripture. Members of the Jesus Seminar, for example, regularly vote about which passages are considered more authentic. Secondly, Christians differ in . The point is that Christians in the past have seen baptism as the core of Christian identity.
no its not too simplistic, for the definition itself is not dependent upon what interpretations people give of Christ's teachings, nor of whether they accept them in whole or in part, nor whether they adhere to them or not, for all of these are the variable factors in the equation rather than the equation itself. Also it is not without precedent as i have shown, a Muslim is one who adheres to the teachings of Muhammad, a Buddhist to the teachings of Siddhartha Gautatama. Why this should be different for Christianity i do not know for the teachings of Christ are well known, readily identified, easily understood and without ambiguity, for he himself states,
(Matthew 6:22-23) . . .“The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is simple, your whole body will be bright; but if your eye is wicked, your whole body will be dark. If in reality the light that is in you is darkness, how great that darkness is!
thus it become quite easy to put the variables into our simple equation and readily determine who is Christian and who is not. There is no darkness, no confusion.
The reason I insist of the importance of baptism is that this has historically been the clinching definition????? well history is about to change, for it is well known that during the rule of Ferdinand and Isabella in the 1400s in catholic Spain during the reacquisition of towns many Jews and Muslims converted through baptism under a pretence and continued to carry on their own faiths in secret, are we to assume that they were Christian by virtue of their baptism? hardly!
Your scriptural references for the legitimacy based on baptism and then your statement that scripture is irrelevant are clearly contradictory, please mop it up, its sloppy and try not to let it happen again.
let me tell you a little secret, Christians are defined, not by baptism, a profound step though it is, although merely an outward display, but by something much deeper
(John 13:35)
By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves. . .
the defining mark of true Christianity.