Originally posted by Starrman
Christ and Ghandi were both murdered, there are countless millions of people through history who have lived lesser lives because of humility. But I don't want to talk about test cases like Christ, I want to mention what it means to be humble.
There are two ways of looking at this I think: Firstly we can equate humility to a sense of how small we are in ...[text shortened]... sed violence to meet their own greed, this is not what I mean by abandoning humility.
I'm not so sure about this. Humility of a sort is one of the most powerful forces for doing things that there is. I'm talking about removal of the ego as a source of motivation and doing things for their own sake, rather than for the sake of the ego. This is difficult, but to forget oneself in the face of what one is doing can drastically increase what one is capable of. The best presentations of this idea I've seen in literature are Sri Krishna's comments about yoga to Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita and the bit in ZAMM (which passage I'd encourage rereading) about mountain-climbing. Actually, I suspect you're pretty familiar with this notion and have chosen not to include it in your definition of humility for some reason.
In my experience, this sort of humility is only noticeably beneficial when doing difficult things whose execution benefits from some sort of "flow", but I think it's good to foster the egolessness that can result in that flow in as many activities as possible, in order to make it a more natural state. This is an ideal, and as a person more guilty of pride than all of the other six sins combined, not one I always or even often achieve, which is evidence that this sort of meditative detachment is very closely related to humility of the first sort you describe.
In fact, so autonomous and powerful can an individual become with the exercise of humility that such a person is probably less susceptible than most to debasement by false altruism and false humility, which are sort of pathetic egotistical defense mechanisms.
If you want to see the difference, watch somebody do something really well through intense concentration and then praise them for their skill. More likely than not, they will be sort of nonplussed and mildly embarassed and shrug off your compliment with some pretty factual excuse. They don't need or gain from the praise, because they have concentrated on whatever it is they were doing wholly, without investing any ego in it, and your praise is therefore a non-sequitur to them.
If one doesn't care about feeling big, then there is no need to go to pathetic ends to avoid feeling small, and this humility is the most enviably egotistical state for a human being to be in.