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    at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?
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    16 Jan '07 02:01
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?
    Why do you see autism so extremely negatively? And why are you only interested in a Christian point of view?
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    16 Jan '07 02:02
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    Why do you see autism so extremely negatively? And why are you only interested in a Christian point of view?
    because i am a christian, and there is nothing wrong with an autism person, only that they dont get the chance to experience or know what we do
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    16 Jan '07 02:03
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    because i am a christian, and there is nothing wrong with an autism person, only that they dont get the chance to experience or know what we do
    But you don't get to experience or know what an autistic person knows either.
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    16 Jan '07 02:04
    Originally posted by reader1107
    But you don't get to experience or know what an autistic person knows either.
    yes i did, when i was a baby. autism is like a slow maturing
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    16 Jan '07 02:112 edits
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    yes i did, when i was a baby. autism is like a slow maturing
    Not even close. You're describing someone who's developmentally delayed. Autism is nothing like that. http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer
    http://www.autismspeaks.org/

    etc.


    edit: I can't find the web site I really want 😳

    edit again: http://www.wrongplanet.net/ Found it! I kept looking for "different planet"
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    16 Jan '07 02:14
    Originally posted by reader1107
    Not even close. You're describing someone who's developmentally delayed. Autism is nothing like that. http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer
    http://www.autismspeaks.org/

    etc.
    Main Entry: au·tism
    Pronunciation: 'o-"ti-z&m
    Function: noun
    : a variable developmental disorder that appears by age three and is characterized by impairment of the ability to form normal social relationships, by impairment of the ability to communicate with others, and by stereotyped behavior patterns

    ok i was a little off (i think i described one type of autism), but there was a time when we were in a sense "autistic" and it was when we were young. when we couldnt socialize
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    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    Main Entry: au·tism
    Pronunciation: 'o-"ti-z&m
    Function: noun
    : a variable developmental disorder that appears by age three and is characterized by impairment of the ability to form normal social relationships, by impairment of the ability to communicate with others, and by stereotyped behavior patterns

    ok i was a little off (i think i described o ...[text shortened]... when we were in a sense "autistic" and it was when we were young. when we couldnt socialize
    There's a lot more to it than a dictionary definition gives you.
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    16 Jan '07 02:20
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    There's a lot more to it than a dictionary definition gives you.
    but did we not experience that when we were young? (can we get back on topic?)
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    16 Jan '07 02:24
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    but did we not experience that when we were young? (can we get back on topic?)
    I thought the topic was autism. No, "normal" people don't get to experience the same thing as being autistic when they are very young.
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    16 Jan '07 02:26
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    I thought the topic was autism. No, "normal" people don't get to experience the same thing as being autistic when they are very young.
    youre still getting off topic, this is what being a troll is
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    16 Jan '07 02:27
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    but did we not experience that when we were young? (can we get back on topic?)
    No, when people who are not on the autistim spectrum were young, they did not have the same *experiences* as you put it as those who are. It is a way of perceiving and experiencing and relating to the world. Assuming for the sake of argument that you had a loving mother who held you and did the average mother sort of things with you, when you were an infant you were able to react to your mother's face and other cues. You learned that smiling caused her to smile, and you guaged your reactions to hers. As time passed, you were also able to do this with other people. You learned to interpret their body language much sooner than you understood and spoke words. In fact, it was this ability that facilitated your ability to learn your language. Where one is on the autism spectrum determines how far from yours their experiences were and/or are. But an autistic infant and toddler would not have those skills of interpreting facial expressions -- and may not even be able to differentiate between people and other objects.
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    16 Jan '07 02:301 edit
    Originally posted by reader1107
    No, when people who are not on the autistim spectrum were young, they did not have the same *experiences* as you put it as those who are. It is a way of perceiving and experiencing and relating to the world. Assuming for the sake of argument that you had a loving mother who held you and did the average mother sort of things with you, when you were an in cial expressions -- and may not even be able to differentiate between people and other objects.
    good point, youre right; i see the difference now. lets get back on topic
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    16 Jan '07 02:32
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    youre still getting off topic, this is what being a troll is
    How so? What's this thread about if it's not about autism? And if your whole argument is based on the view that autism is something terrible which God shouldn't have allowed, how is it not relevant to challenge this view which most autistic people I know vehemently disagree with?
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    16 Jan '07 02:32
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    at first i asked why does god allow it? then i thought maybe God doesnt cause it, maybe humans did with biological warfare or something. but the cause is crucial, if the cause is natural then the question is why does God allow it? if the cause is us, then what happens to an autistic person he they die? do they live in heaven or hell autistic, do they just cease to exist, or do they magically get cured of autism?
    To be autistic involves a physical reality of how the brain works one way in some people and another way in other people. The people doing most of the talking are the ones saying that their way is the "correct" way, so to speak. How do you know that we don't all become autistic in heaven or hell, that we're cured from not being autistic? Since heaven and hell aren't physical, geographical locations, bodily questions are a moot point.
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