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Originally posted by josephwWhat's the difference between the two?
The word demon does not appear in the Bible.
It's devils.
Maybe bacteria are really devils in disguise.
Originally posted by jaywillthis comment is very good. but you do know it also admits the possibility of the theory of evolution, old earth theory, the fact that some issues are no longer valid today and so on.
This logic is not impressive to too many readers of the Bible.
If the Bible were REALLY a divine revelation then it should have told us how many planets there were in our solar system.
Jesus should have spent more time to explain about quantum physics rather than the boring stuff about morality.
If the Bible were really God's revelation it shoul ...[text shortened]... handbook meant for every age. But to overcome sin and alienation from God is its message.
Originally posted by josephwHere is proof that you don't even read the Bible. That you cannot be bothered to thumb through the most basic of concordances.
The word demon does not appear in the Bible.
It's devils.
Maybe bacteria are really devils in disguise.
Originally posted by galveston75I'm sorry to be pedantic again but...you say that the 144000 will be given innortality and that humans will live forever. Whats the difference between immortality and living forever ,iyo?
Well I agree with some you say but as you know, not with all. To be honest it's hard to tell exactly what your saying at times and I don't believe the Bible is that complicated on this subject.
A select group, the Little Flock or 144,000 are the ones going to heaven to rule with Jesus for a thousand years. What they do as well as Jesus after the thous opportunity that was given to Adam and Eve. Nothing has changed from God's original purpose.
Originally posted by Renarsactually immortality means that you have life within yourself. Living forever means just that and is made with respect to duration of time. It does not suggest however that you have life within yourself.
well, I do remember seeing this quote somewhere: [b]Eternal is longer than Forever[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieso you will live forever but not be alive? or does it mean you have life, not within yourself though, but in a jar somewhere? and the 144000 have their lives with them, not in a jar.
actually immortality means that you have life within yourself. Living forever means just that and is made with respect to duration of time. It does not suggest however that you have life within yourself.
Originally posted by BadwaterBadwater, a few days ago you complained that post that I wrote only indicated spiritual shallowness.
Here is proof that you don't even read the Bible. That you cannot be bothered to thumb through the most basic of concordances.
You will, in fact, find the use of "demon" in the NT - unless you don't consider that a part of the Bible.
I think at this point everything you profess from here on can be measured by the idiocy of this statement.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe Greek word athanasia is formed by the negative prefix a followed by a form of the word for “death” (thanatos). Thus, the basic meaning is “deathlessness,” and refers to the quality of life that is enjoyed, its endlessness and indestructibility. (1Co 15:53, 54, ; 1Ti 6:16, ) The Greek word aphtharsia, meaning “incorruption,” refers to that which cannot decay or be corrupted, that which is imperishable.—Ro 2:7; 1Co 15:42, 50, 53; Eph 6:24; 2Ti 1:10.
so you will live forever but not be alive? or does it mean you have life, not within yourself though, but in a jar somewhere? and the 144000 have their lives with them, not in a jar.
so the reward for being in the top 144000 humans of all time is you get to carry your life with you at all times?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieok i will humor you. i still don't get it and i still don't see where you explain the difference between immortal and living forever but let's continue.
The Greek word athanasia is formed by the negative prefix a followed by a form of the word for “death” (thanatos). Thus, the basic meaning is “deathlessness,” and refers to the quality of life that is enjoyed, its endlessness and indestructibility. (1Co 15:53, 54, ; 1Ti 6:16, ) The Greek word aphtharsia, meaning “incorruption,” refers to that which c ...[text shortened]... with the immortality they attain. (1Co 15:42-49) Over them “the second death has no authority.”
Originally posted by Zahlanzifirstly there are completely different words for everlasting life and immortality, and which you would expect have different shades of meaning, if not completely different. The point that i was trying to help you understand was that a person who is immortal, has life within themselves, this is not true of those who have everlasting life, who although they receive the gift of eternal life, are still dependent upon God for that life.
ok i will humor you. i still don't get it and i still don't see where you explain the difference between immortal and living forever but let's continue.
the 144000 will be like jesus (or close), possibly beings of energy? possibly like the elite class of souls? noble souls?
the other peeps, the ones not burning in hell, will live forever? but if they st ...[text shortened]... but they will have a knife hole in their chests forever? will they be able to catch diseases?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieok so the difference between immortal and mortal is that the former could give god the finger or throw water baloons at him and god couldn't do anything because the person has life withing himself. but if the one with everlasting life gives god the finger, god could kill him and/or his soul?
firstly there are completely different words for everlasting life and immortality, and which you would expect have different shades of meaning, if not completely different. The point that i was trying to help you understand was that a person who is immortal, has life within themselves, this is not true of those who have everlasting life, who althoug ...[text shortened]... and why the process of regeneration does not take place, perpetually, as you are no doubt aware.
Originally posted by Zahlanziwell, not so much in those terms, but kind of. You see my friend, the universe shall be at harmony, no giving fingers, no throwing water balloons, the issue of universal sovereignty shall have been settled once and for all, no longer shall anyone be able to claim that moral independence from God has proven to be beneficial.
ok so the difference between immortal and mortal is that the former could give god the finger or throw water baloons at him and god couldn't do anything because the person has life withing himself. but if the one with everlasting life gives god the finger, god could kill him and/or his soul?