Originally posted by FMF
Are you referring to RJHinds' comment?

No, I'm referring to your concept of "failing to live your life according to the standards and values that your religious beliefs give you". People who sit around moralizing often decry others 'failing to live one's life according to standards and values of religious beliefs', and yet ignore their own failings in this regard. Nowhere is this more obvious than in this forum.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you feel you have to live your life according to the standards and values that your religious beliefs give you, and that failing to do so is "sin"? Yes, presumably.

I do not have to live by the standards and values of religious beliefs. It is my choice. I am free to live as I please. I pick and choose what standards and values I will follow, religious or not. But that is just me. 😏

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, I'm referring to your concept of "failing to live your life according to the standards and values that your religious beliefs give you". People who sit around moralizing often decry others 'failing to live one's life according to standards and values of religious beliefs', and yet ignore their own failings in this regard. Nowhere is this more obvious than in this forum.

But the topic is Mr Obama's definition of sin. He equates "sin" with failing to live your life according to the standards and values that your religious beliefs give you. Do you think this makes sense?

Originally posted by Suzianne
My guess is that it is more "do as I say, not as I do", like some others here.

So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?

Originally posted by FMF
So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?

The Christians definition of sin should be going against what God thinks is right.

Sometimes it goes against our own sense of right and wrong, or at least, it should at times.

Originally posted by whodey
The Christians definition of sin should be going against what God thinks is right.

How, in essence, is that different from what Mr Obama said?

Originally posted by whodey
Sometimes it goes against our own sense of right and wrong, or at least, it should at times.

Are you willing to give an example ~ of where doing what God thinks is right goes against your own sense of right and wrong ~ from your own life?

Originally posted by Suzianne
People who sit around moralizing often decry others 'failing to live one's life according to standards and values of religious beliefs', and yet ignore their own failings in this regard. Nowhere is this more obvious than in this forum.

Who do you think fails to live their lives according to the standards and values of their religious beliefs on this forum?

Originally posted by FMF
So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?

It makes him a Muslim. 😏

Originally posted by FMF
How, in essence, is that different from what Mr Obama said?

Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

What he should have said. "Being out of alignment with God's values."

Originally posted by whodey
Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

What he should have said. "Being out of alignment with God's values."

Well their conversation was about his Christian values. When he is out of alignment with them, he considers himself to be "sinning". When you - whodey - act in a way that is out of alignment with your Christian values, don't you see yourself as "sinning" too?

Originally posted by FMF
So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?

If you got that from what I said, then either you are trying to make it *sound* like i said that, or your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Originally posted by FMF
Type A: "So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?"
Type B: "Are you willing to give an example ~ of where doing what God thinks is right goes against your own sense of right and wrong ~ from your own life?"
Type C: "Who do you think fails to live their lives according to the standards and values of their religious beliefs on this forum?"

Type A: "So are you saying... ?" (followed by some nonsense statement having nothing to do with what that person said, despite usually containing a quote of something they actually did say)
Type B: "Are you willing to give an example from your own life... ?" (of some carefully constructed phrase that may or may not have any bearing on what the person actually said)
Type C: "Who, on this forum, do you think fails to... ?" (trying to get the person to accuse others by association)

Can you tell us why such a high percentage of your posts follow one of these three types, especially when engaging in your favorite and most usual activity, "Forum Warfare"?

Is it because you've found, through trial and error, what pushes people's buttons, or do you follow formulaic posting just out of laziness?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Can you tell us why such a high percentage of your posts follow one of these three types, especially when engaging in your favorite and most usual activity, "Forum Warfare"?

Is it because you've found, through trial and error, what pushes people's buttons, or do you follow formulaic posting just out of laziness?

Why don't you want to talk about the thread topic?

Originally posted by FMF
So are you saying that Mr Obama's definition of sin makes him "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian?

If it's not Obama ~ the thread topic, remember ~ who's a "do as I say, not as I do" Christian, who is it you're claiming IS a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of Christian here?