Being a deist

@pb1022 said
So you take full responsibility for your loss of faith. Correct?

I take full responsibility for what I believed when I was a Christian.

I take full responsibility for whatever I believed during the five-year process as my faith slipped away.

And I take full responsibility for what I believe now.

@pb1022 said
My whole point is FMF refuses to take responsibility for his loss of faith - not that he never had it,

No I don't.

-Removed-

Why won’t he acknowledge it?

He seems to think his faith happened to him and then left him - as though he had no role in either of those events.

He previously compared losing his faith to a man no longer loving his wife (without acknowledging that some men in that predicament *choose* to abandon their wives while others do not and also without acknowledging that man’s actions may have resulted in the loss of his love for his wife.)

@pb1022 said
Why won’t he acknowledge it?

I take full responsibility for what I believed when I was a Christian. I take full responsibility for whatever I believed during the five-year process as my faith slipped away. And I take full responsibility for what I believe now.

@pb1022 said
Why won’t he acknowledge it?

He seems to think his faith happened to him and then left him - as though he had no role in either of those events.

He previously compared losing his faith to a man no longer loving his wife (without acknowledging that some men in that predicament *choose* to abandon their wives while others do not and also without acknowledging that man’s actions may have resulted in the loss of his love for his wife.)

Is your faith threatened and undermined by the idea that a Christian could walk away from their faith? Is your personal faith in Christ really that brittle?

We have already seen that you can not accept atheists actually disbelieve in God. No, they must hate him. Yes, that must be it.

@fmf said
I take full responsibility for what I believed when I was a Christian.

I take full responsibility for whatever I believed during the five-year process as my faith slipped away.

And I take full responsibility for what I believe now.

No longer interested in engaging with you.

You’re just being obstinate because your prior statement, which prompted my Yes or No question to you, was blown out of the water and you’re too prideful and stubborn to admit it.

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I don’t think he has.

But I’m no longer interested in arguing the point.

It’s boring and only serves FMF’s insatiable need for attention.

@pb1022 said
No longer interested in engaging with you.

You’re just being obstinate because your prior statement, which prompted my Yes or No question to you, was blown out of the water and you’re too prideful and stubborn to admit it.

👋

But I thought that was the sole reason you had returned?

@pb1022 said
He previously compared losing his faith to a man no longer loving his wife

I cannot decide to not love my life. I might realize one day that I don't love her anymore. But if I love her, I can't choose not to. That's the comparison. Someone who believes in Jesus can't simply decide not to believe in him. That's not how it works with faith.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Is your faith threatened and undermined by the idea that a Christian could walk away from their faith? Is your personal faith in Christ really that brittle?

We have already seen that you can not accept atheists actually disbelieve in God. No, they must hate him. Yes, that must be it.

I think many atheists do hate God and explained why.

Why argue and try so repeatedly to get believers to doubt God’s existence and why repeatedly trash Him?

I don’t do that with people who believe who believe in unicorns, nor do I suspect you do.

And your atheism, if it really is atheism, is based solely on your feelings. Are your feelings always correct? Have your feelings ever led you astray?

@pb1022 said
You’re just being obstinate because your prior statement, which prompted my Yes or No question to you, was blown out of the water and you’re too prideful and stubborn to admit it.

What you were asking about is none of your business.

@fmf said
I cannot decide to not love my life. I might realize one day that I don't love her anymore. But if I love her, I can't choose not to. That's the comparison. Someone who believes in Jesus can't simply decide not to believe in him. That's not how it works with faith.

Then you acknowledge someone who no longer loves his wife makes a decision about whether to leave her and is responsible for that decision?

And faith is a lot more than a feeling, but we’ve been over this ground before.