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Is it like being punted through the goal-posts into heaven?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYouTube
Is it like being punted through the goal-posts into heaven?
Originally posted by PinkFloydSo deathbed confessions prove that salvation is by grace ?
Nevertheless, there ARE deathbed confessions (and "thief-on-the-cross" experiences), which prove that salvation is indeed by grace ALONE---and not works.
Originally posted by Rajk999You mean you know what happened to the people after they died ?
So deathbed confessions prove that salvation is by grace ?
You mean you know what happened to the people after they died ?
You are crazier than I originally thought.
Originally posted by KingDavid403So everytime there is a deathbed confession, the result is the same. The person goes to paradise with Christ.
[b]You mean you know what happened to the people after they died ?
LUKE 23:43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with ME in Paradise."
This was a man who at first reviled and hurled insults at Christ with the rest. Even while hanging on the cross next to Jesus, Knowing he was about to die and in very much pain ...[text shortened]... things wrong and you better take a look at yourself and your heart, and your faith in Him.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999So everytime there is a deathbed confession, the result is the same. The person goes to paradise with Christ.
So everytime there is a deathbed confession, the result is the same. The person goes to paradise with Christ.
Is that what you are saying? Because that was my question to PF.
I did not ask about the thief on the cross.
Originally posted by KingDavid403So would you agree with PinkFloyd then. He says that deathbed confessions prove that salvation is by grace alone.
[b]So everytime there is a deathbed confession, the result is the same. The person goes to paradise with Christ.
I would say most likely no. But that really is only for God to answer. As you said earlier God knows your heart. He knows if you just doing a chant to try and get out of hell for free or not.
Mathew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone f His blood that He shed for all of us, Then eat some more of His flesh, His word.[/b]
Originally posted by PinkFloydThe defense of Jesus from unjust accusation is a work, PinkFloyd. Faith cannot exist in the
Nevertheless, there ARE deathbed confessions (and "thief-on-the-cross" experiences), which prove that salvation is indeed by grace ALONE---and not works.
Originally posted by Rajk999PinkFloyd is correct. We are saved by grace, threw faith. Not by works lest any man should boast.
So would you agree with PinkFloyd then. He says that deathbed confessions prove that salvation is by grace alone.
My question is :
1. How do you know what % of deathbed confessions are successful, if any at all, since there is no way to prove it.
2. Does a deathbed confession (which is an exceptional case) that yields results, necessarily mean that works are not a requirement of our salvation for the rest of us?
Originally posted by Rajk999I know enough to know that Christian behaavior doesn't include calling others names just because we don't share the same beliefs. Name-calling is a rather immature way to debate, don't you think?🙂
So deathbed confessions prove that salvation is by grace ?
You mean you know what happened to the people after they died ?
You are crazier than I originally thought.
Originally posted by PinkFloydWe all make mistakes. I wouldn't take it personal. If everyone who called someone names or said they were crazy was going to hell and not saved, I would be near the front of the line.
I know enough to know that Christian behaavior doesn't include calling others names just because we don't share the same beliefs. Name-calling is a rather immature way to debate, don't you think?🙂